<p>Although I really do NOT want you to continue to waste time generating another or ongoing list of colleges, ec, pick a few on your list especialaly the reaches like sarah lawrence (which is probably too expensive anyway), Wheaton, ane even Clark and American, which are probably also reaches. Look at the stats of this years ADMITTED students-- look at the deciison threads on cc and read their stats and their coursework. Perhaps you will see what we are trying to tell you. The academically rigorous schools, the very selective and highly selective schools are not,NOT reasonable for you. Please, PLEASE stop dreaming and get realistic.</p>
<p>I have known my ACT scores for a while. I just haven’t posted them for a reason, lol. I am pretty embarrassed. I actually checked my scores in school and literally laughed/cried. I received an 18 on the ACT. </p>
<p>I got:
17 English
16 Math
16 Reading
21 Science
16 Combined English/Writing (6 on essay)</p>
<p>I really do not understand my scores. Honestly, I didn’t finish 8 questions each in English/Reading. I didn’t have a time problem in the SAT. I hope it’s not too late to get my SAT book back. I am really in lost on what to do. My ACT is a little bit lower than my SAT, but they’re about the same. I don’t know which one to retake. I want to focus on one test, but I did about the same on both of them. I guessed on all of the science questions and I recieved a 21. I tried much harder on the other sections and I did much worse. It doesn’t make sense. I don’t understand how I can do so terrible. I did not study at all for the ACT, so that is probably a reason why. What test should I retake and when? I really need an SAT Tutor. I just haven’t thought about college or SAT since I have gotten my scores back. I really don’t know what to do. Also, Wheaton College’s average GPA is a 3.42 and Clark’s is a 3.46. I have a 3.43, but lets focus on the SAT/ACT right now because I am totally lost. My counselors don’t seem to know anything about the admissions process.</p>
<p>Emerson
Ohio Wesleyan
Clark (I’ve heard Clark gives great aid)
American
Conn College
Wheaton College
Fairfield
Sarah Lawrence
Drew</p>
<p>early-college, based on what you have posted regarding your test scores (AP/SAT/ACT) and the rigor of your course load (compared to other applicants NOT what is available at your school), you need to reconsider your list and focus on schools w/ more modest admissions criteria - - especially if you hope to get merit $$. I’d advise dropping SLC, Conn College and Wheaton where your chances for are low and chances for meirt $ are even lower. </p>
<p>Why did you take College of Wooster off your list? I think Wooster and Ohio Wes are the where you should be aiming and even then, signif merit $ (in the $25K range - - if your parents can pay only $20K) is probably unlikely. And you say Clark offers “great aid” - - are you looking for need-based aid or merit/scholarship money?</p>
<p>Finally, I worry that the problem is not that your counselors “don’t seem to know anything about the admissions process,” but that you are so steeped in denial regarding the strength of your academic profile that you dispute/dismiss their advice, as you have disputed/dismissed the advice give you on this thread.</p>
<p>NYC:</p>
<p>I know my academic profile isn’t the best, but it isn’t the worst either. If you look at Georgia state schools (excluding UGA/Tech), many kids have never even taken honors classes. Also, my SAT/ACT scores are a big issue. I took Ohio Wesleyan/Wooster off my list because of my scores. I would never get in with my current scores. The list you quoted are schools I liked and are ideal fits, but I would never apply to all of those schools. I understand my list is too reach heavy; however, I haven’t gotten any other suggestions besides you. I already have one safety: Valdosta State University. I already know I meet the minimum requirements and would get in. What are schools which have more modest admissions criteria? My fathers income depends on the month, so I am not sure how much he could afford. I really do not want to take out too much loans. I am really just lost in this whole process.</p>
<p>n/m read your latest post.</p>
<p>To answer, what about your state colleges? I mean, I know here on CC it seems like you’d be doomed to a life of quiet desperation if you went to a state university but frankly, it’s all about hard work in the end and a decent state university, not private college, can do you well. You’re in Georgia, is that right?</p>
<p>[USG</a> Institutions - University System of Georgia](<a href=“http://www.usg.edu/inst/]USG”>http://www.usg.edu/inst/)</p>
<p>Have you looked to see which ones are ranked? What about the program you are interested in? There might be some universities that don’t have big names or high rankings but which are at the top of their fields in your areas of interest.</p>
<p>I really do not like any state school, but I will probably apply to Valdosta State, GCSU, and Georgia State. I really do not want huge class sizes. I like one on one attention and I like the Sarah Lawrence approach to learning. I am going to apply to schools instate, but I haven’t found one ideal fit. Also, I want to major in print journalism and a lot of state schools do not offer it. Anthropology is another subject I’m interested in. I could go to Valdosta State and tranfer to UGA after 2 years, but I want to stay on campus all four years. I also really like GCSU, but I’ve spoken with friends and they told me there is nothing to do in Millidgeville.</p>
<p>Question- My parents may move out of state after I graduate high school. Will they still be able to pay instate tuition and can I still get the Hope Scholarship? </p>
<p>I also really HATE Georgia. I am being dead serious here. I really want a change of scenery, but I’m not going to be in 200k debt for any college.</p>
<p>For me, affordability is THE threshold issue. Are you seeking need-based aid or merit scholarship? </p>
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<p>“Question- My parents may move out of state after I graduate high school. Will they still be able to pay instate tuition”</p>
<p>I believe the in-state requirements vary from state to state (I recall for a number of states that students qualify after the parents have been residents for 6-12 mos).</p>
<p>I will need both need-based aid and/or merit scholarship.</p>
<p>My father made $69,000 last year. My parents have four kids. I have an older brother who is a senior who will probably be going to technical school. I also have a younger sister who is one and another brother in 8th grade. My mother is taking time off to be with my younger sister.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/767966-where-did-your-3-0-3-3-gpa-child-get.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/767966-where-did-your-3-0-3-3-gpa-child-get.html</a>
^read through this link</p>
<p>It’s time for you to really start listening to what we’ve been saying to you for 2 years.
Your chances of getting merit aid is slim to none so don’t even go through the college application process thinking that this is going to happen. </p>
<p>Do not completely take the idea of starting off at a community college off the table. You may benefit from the experience academically, financially, and socially. </p>
<p>Again, you need to look at your rigor, gpa, and SAT/ACT scores relative to the entire national applicant pool. When you meet the minimum requirements at a specific college, this in no way can be interpreted as meaning that you will be accepted because you have met their minimum requirements.</p>
<p>You will go to college. However, you need to be more realistic with your wish list of colleges–both in terms of finances and academics (chance of you gaining acceptance).</p>
<p>Valdosta State isn’t very hard to get into. My course load is much higher than the majority of their applicants.</p>
<p>Admission to Valdosta State appears to be strictly based on GPA and SAT/ACT scores.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.valdosta.edu/sra/documents/CDS2010-2011.pdf[/url]”>http://www.valdosta.edu/sra/documents/CDS2010-2011.pdf</a>
^here’s a link to their common data set (they don’t appear to have the most current year published).</p>
<p>I highly recommend that you prepare and retake your ACT. As it stands now, your score is below their 25th percentile.</p>
<p>Their ACT Composite 25th to 75th percentile range for 2008 was: </p>
<p>-------ACT 20 (25th percentile)-ACT 23 (75th percentile)</p>
<p>Definitely keep this college on your list because it is a more realistic possibility. However, you do need to bring up your ACT before you consider this school a true match.</p>
<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.valdosta.edu/admissions/Freshman.shtml]Freshman[/url”>http://www.valdosta.edu/admissions/Freshman.shtml]Freshman[/url</a>]</p>
<p>My SAT scores meet the requirements and the average GPA is a 3.0, I have a 3.4. I know at Kennessaw State once you have the required SAT scores and GPA, you’re in. Also, if I went to VSU I would be planning to transfer to UGA after 2 years. VSU is my last choice right now if everything else falls though. They are rolling admissions, so I can apply in September and I do not have to worry about a safety.</p>
<p>EC-
Why are you taking standardized tests without preparing for them?</p>
<p>Your Math=430
Your Reading=470</p>
<p>Valdosta State’s 25th to 75th SAT Percentile Range:</p>
<p>Math=460 (25th percentile)-540 (75th percentile)
Reading=470 (25th percentile)-550 (75th percentile)</p>
<p>Your Math SAT score is below their 25th percentile
Your Reading SAT score puts you barely in their 25th percentile</p>
<p>In other words, your SAT scores and/or your ACT scores still need to be improved.</p>
<p>
Nysmile, Valdosta is a rolling admission school – they notify applicants of their decision within 2 weeks of receiving the application. Leaving aside finances, the “match” type of analysis does not apply. Assuming that the application is submitted as early as possible, then early_college will know whether or not he/she has been admitted well ahead of any other applications.</p>
<p>It is also a mistake to look at the score range as opposed to published minimum scores when looking at a less selective state public institution. I don’t know that school in particular, but it is possible that they take all comers who meet their minimum requirements until their class is full. (Many public colleges operate that way). </p>
<p>The fact that they publish a minimum score on their web site suggests to me that they many fit in the “all comers” category. It looks to me like early<em>college has a FI (freshman index) score of 2600; they specify a minimum score of 2040. So that would put early</em>college well above the minimum on their index, because of the weight given the GPA. I am familiar with that sort of index through the California system – its a numerical system that gives higher GPA applicants a lot of leeway on test scores. </p>
<p>In any case, the rolling admissions policy means that it’s a very rational plan for a safety college. Obviously if early_college is turned down in September, that will be very bad news and require reconsideration of plans - but using an early app to a rolling admissions school, in-state public is a rational and appropriate way of addressing the need for a “safety”. No matter what the predictions of folks on CC, any school becomes a “safety” once a student is admitted.</p>
<p>Of course early_college should apply to this school. It’s the most realistic school he has mentioned thus far as a potential match. However, the OP’s SAT/ACT scores are still comparatively low based on the common data set for this particular school. My reason for pointing this out to the OP is to help him to see the reality of his academic stats. </p>
<p>For 2 years now, numerous people on CC have tried to get through to the OP. Many have taken the time to give him an incredible amount of solid information and recommendations. Despite the time and energy people have put into helping the OP, he has continued to remain in a state of either denial or sheer stubbornness. After 2 years of CC members giving him advice, he still thinks he knows better than everyone. He knows more than his parents (Mom is a teacher). He knows more than his guidance counselors. He knows more than CC parents who have been through the college process multiple times. </p>
<p>We want the OP to go to college and succeed. Unfortunately, the OP appears to only listen to what he wants to hear. I’ll bow out of his threads now because for me, it’s like talking to a brick wall. I sincerely wish early_college the best in his college search.</p>
<p>FWIW, right now, the OP would have guaranteed admissions at Valdosta. From his link, the school requires a 410 math SAT and 440 critical reading SAT as well as (M/CR SAT+ (500*GPA))=2040 or greater. Thus, even with his current 900 SAT, his academic (?, assuming that’s a Georgia thing) GPA could drop as low as 2.28, and he’d still be eligible. Now, whether or not admitting kids with such academic stats is actually a good idea for either the university or the student is a different debate… </p>
<p>Ancedotally, my older brother struggled in college with a 3.0 HS GPA (no honors or AP classes but a strong rising trend) and a M/CR SAT score of slightly above 1000, and looking back at it, I wonder if a large part of the issue was that our HS did a great job of preparing the top 10-25% of students for college but at the partial expense of those in level classes. So, it may be that taking honors/AP classes really is a boon to students, even for kids that get avg / mediocre grades in said classes (B’s, maybe a few C’s). Just thinking outloud here… </p>
<p>Also, I don’t think taking Algebra 2 junior year will necessarily sink an app or someone’s college readiness. Due to a placement error in middle school that my parents never corrected, I ended up taking Algebra 2 junior year (and AP stats senior year). I still did fine when vying for large merit awards and did well (B’s) in pre-calc and calc for non-math majors as well as psych stats (A) in college. I also got an A in my first semester of grad school stats, although our department’s first year stats courses are much more conceptual than calculation-based (which probably ends up making them more difficult, if anything)</p>
<p>All that said, a SAT/ACT score as low as the OP’s, especially combined with his somewhat inconsistent academic performance, would raise some serious college-readiness red flags in my mind, and perhaps that is something that should be addressed, along with list-making and test prep.</p>
<p>Thanks everyone. My school has a cumulative GPA of a 3.432. My school adds ten points for every AP class, but takes off the ten points when they do your GPA. They add .5 instead, my school does not weight honors classes. My HOPE (academic) GPA is a 3.1. I am ranked in the top 22% of my class. The classes I have taken are:</p>
<p>Freshman Year:
AP Human Geography
Honors Biology
Honors Language Arts
Accelerated Integrated Algebra I
Intro to Theater
Gym/Health</p>
<p>Sophomore Year:
AP World History
Honors Chemistry (got an A both semesters actually)
Honors Language Arts
Integrated Geometry
Advanced Acting
French I</p>
<p>Junior Year:
AP US History
Honors Physics
Honors Language Arts
Integrated Algebra II
Advanced Acting
Honors French II</p>
<p>Senior Year (next year):
AP Lang
AP Environmental Science
Honors Econ/Honors Political Systems
Honors French III
Integrated Trig
Advanced Production</p>
<p>I could techinally take AP Stat next year, but I don’t want to take more then two AP classes.</p>