Did Bill Maher apologize?

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<p>Okay I don’t really watch Bill Maher, but after his statement this week, I decided to watch his show for the apology to the Catholic community about the Pope. I was so infuriateed by the apology, in essence it was like HBO got too many emails and they are making me do it, so here goes. Then he went onti say that if the Pope was the CEO of a daycare center he would be in jail! </p>

<p>I understand that he has the right to say anthing and the show is named “Politically Incorrect”, but at a certain point you pass comedic level to just downright mean</p>

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<p>what did he say about the pope? I can’t stand the pope, and I am catholic…opus dei is pretty scary stuff</p>

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<p>He said the Pope used to be a Nazi, I believe.</p>

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<p>Yes, he said he was a Nazi. His apology was to say he was 14 and joined the youth group, thus he did’t take an oath to the Nazis, but Hitler himself (“muttered which I think is worse”). He also related the cult in TX to the catholics, that Catholics were a cult, and atip to the FBI, he knows of a very large compound, that is led by a guy who allows boys to be abused</p>

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<p>You do realize you’re doing just what he wants? He says things like this for the shock value, and so that people will do exactly what you did. His ratings go up regardless of the reason people watch the show.</p>

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<p>I believe he said that the pope used to be a nazi and wore funny hats…</p>

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<p>OK, I don’t watch Maher so I don’t know what was said, but I thought it was common knowledge that the Pope joined the Hitler Youth at age 14:
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<p>The Pope joined the Hitler Youth when he was a young teenager (membership was required by law at that time) and was later conscripted into the German army. He was never an active member of the Hitler Youth and did not attend meetings, and he deserted the German army shortly after being conscripted.</p>

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<p>well the hat thing is an actual issue…there is something symbolic about his choice of attire…</p>

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<p>"The pope’s choice of liturgical vestments and other papal accouterments speak volumes not only about his personal tastes but also about his vision of the church’s future and its past.</p>

<p>With increasing regularity, Benedict has been reintroducing elaborate lace garments and monarchical regalia that have not been seen around Rome in decades, even centuries.</p>

<p>He has celebrated Mass using the wide cope (a cape so ample it is held up by two attendants) and high mitre of Pius IX, a 19th century pope known for his dim views of the modern world. On Ash Wednesday, he wore a chasuble modeled on one worn by Paul V, a Borghese pope of the 17th century remembered for censuring Galileo.</p>

<p>On Good Friday, he donned a “fiddleback” vestment dating to the Counter-Reformation era of the 16th century, and he has used a tall gilded papal throne not seen in years. And that’s not to mention the ermine-trimmed red velvet mozzetta, a shoulder cape, or the matching camauro, a Santa Claus-like cap that art students will recognize from Renaissance portraiture.</p>

<p>Now comes word that Benedict has commissioned a set of 30 new vestments modeled on those worn by the notorious Medici pope, Leo X, a corpulent, corrupt fellow who at his election famously declared, “Let us enjoy the papacy since God has given it to us.”</p>

<p>Leo proceeded to do just that, paying the bills by selling indulgences and church offices and provoking Martin Luther into nailing his 95 theses to a church door in Germany. (News leaks about the pricey vestments irked the Vatican and have reportedly delayed their introduction until Pentecost in May, when the furor may have abated.)</p>

<p>So what’s going on here? Church conservatives are of course ecstatic, filling the blogosphere with the kind of gushing chatter that only liturgical couture – especially of the haute variety can inspire.</p>

<p>Church liberals, meanwhile, are less enthusiastic. They wonder whether these clothing choices are part of a wider campaign, along with the restoration of the old Latin Mass, to turn the clock back on the reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s."</p>

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<p>not to mention his red shoes.
this Pope is a real “dandy”, to use Victorian terminology.</p>

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<p>I think that red shoes go with the gig.</p>

<p>(But they don’t necessarily have to be Prada!-sorry, couldn’t resist that.)</p>

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<p>Okay WOW!</p>

<p>I am a Vatican II member. I was not thrilled with the Vatican electing him, HOWEVER, his words this weekend were true…to sum it up it is the actions that we do as Christians which are more important, or at least that is how I took it…
Has Pope Benedict brought back the old by incorporating Latin again to specific masses? Yes, but these are special masses and not mandatory to attend, maaybe, just maybe he is trying to blend Vatican I with Vatican II.</p>

<p>Red has always been a part of their vestments, the ring is RUBY RED</p>

<p>Now back on subject…Is it okay that Bill Maher offends the Catholic congregants and apologizes in the manner that he did?</p>

<p>I personally feel that it was a back handed slap, you are right he was never a Nazi, but…</p>

<p>Why should he get away with that?</p>

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<p>What Maher said was close enough to the truth that a groveling apology was not required…the Pope wasn’t a Nazi, per se, but was a member of the Hitler Youth.</p>

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<p>I don’t think people want graveling, they wanted him to say that it was unfair to call him a Nazi, he was 14, we do not judge children in court as adults at this age, so why should the Pope be expected to say NO</p>

<p>I would have been fine if he just said, MY BAD, I offended you and it was MY PERSONAL OPINION…what he said was …the Catholic league is technically right he was not a Nazi, but swore his oath to Hitler, which I think is worse</p>

<p>His show is named “Politically Incorrect” I get it, he is there to call every issue out, I am personally fine with that…what I am not fine with is the fact that he did not apologize, he made it very clear that he was forced into it…well, IMO you need to stand up for what you believe in, if that is your belief and it is your name on the line, then say NO, but don’t apologize and slap someone in the face as you do it</p>

<p>I would have more respect and credibility for him if he said I stand by what I said, if I get fired (as he did in 01), then fine, but I am not going to give a fake apology to soothe the honchos</p>

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<p>Did you consider that maybe Maher is standing up for what HE believes?</p>

<p>I also find it interesting that if someone attacks the Pope, whoever did the attacking is an awful person. However, no one ever said a word against the Rev. Wright bashing.</p>

<p>I’m not condoning what Maher said…just a little surprised at the double standard.</p>

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<p>I guess I have not clarified my position…I have no problem for what he said, afterall I can change the channel…I have a problem that he made an apology which seemed forced due to HBO, I would rather see him say that’s my opinion and I am sticking to it, then …here you go Catholic League you are right he didn’t take an oath to the Nazis, he took it took it to Hitler…gotcha ya!</p>

<p>I just lost respect for the fact that he is “playing the game”, but calls out the other people who “play the game”</p>

<p>WHat is good for the goose is good for the gander, he sold himself out for his paycheck by HBO, he reduced his principles, beliefs and values to give himself safety by acknowledging that he offended people, which was forced by his employer…He is as bad as any politician that he throws dirt at!</p>

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<p>I would rather a fake apology and keep him on the air…sometimes “principles” can kill ya</p>

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<p>He wasn’t straying from his principles at all…you guys are interpreting his apology all wrong. He was apologizing for using the wrong technical terminology, but he wasn’t apologizing for the spirit of what he said. </p>

<p>How exactly is that going against one’s personal principles? Correcting oneself for saying something that was technically wrong but still standing behind the spirit of what he said is fine. He would be betraying his principles if he just apologized in general and didn’t include that little jab. </p>

<p>On another note, I didn’t find anything offensive with his statement at all. He didn’t lie about anything. It’s absolutely true that the catholic church could care less about harming children, they would rather just cover up the whole mess than actually fix anything. </p>

<p>(and OT- Pope John Paul II was a vegetarian and didn’t wear any fur-Benedict, however is decked out with rotting animal products, now isn’t he?)</p>