Dived into admissions after underwhelming results for oldest kid?

Our oldest ‘23 went through the admissions process and the admissions results didn’t meet expectations - 2xT20 & 2xT15LAC, but no HYPSM - despite valedictorian/NMF/solid ECs. I think this experience is somewhat common. Admissions is on a different level than back in the 90’s.

At that point, I dived into admissions for our youngest ‘26.

If I had to sum it up, I split time about equally between Discovery (review T10 admit profiles, podcasts, webinars, etc) and Theme-based Guidance (embrace uniqueness, leadership, outside-the-school-activities, award opportunities, navigate school bureaucracy, try new things and swap out old when it made sense)

Anyone else in a similar position this year or recently, of having “regrouped” for a younger kid? Wanting to feel confident, but staring at such low acceptance rates. Any specific tales to tell?

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I don’t see why list building should be any different.

There are rankings, not top schools but based on selectivity. Mine got into a harder to get into school and rejected at less selective.

One never knows why one gets in or doesn’t.

The trick is to ensure you have schools on your list that you’ll get into and can afford. And don’t forget, some lower ranked schools are higher in certain majors - so going to an Ivy, depending on interests, may not even be the best place to be.

You also need to find schools your student will like. Just because a school is ranked highly by U.S. News doesn’t mean it’s the right place for them to spend four years.

Most every major flagship and many regionals will have Ivy level students on campus.

You have no idea why your kid struck out - it could be LORs, essays, rigor, where you live, something else , not first gen, or simply bad luck.

Just like where a student gets in, one has any idea why.

So I think you apply where they desire and fit with a safety valve.

No reason to change.

I’m sure your first landed fine - two top 20s and two top 15 LACs are nothing to sneeze at. Successes in life come due to the student, moreso than school name.

Good luck.

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I do not think that you can expect admissions results as good as “two top 20 schools” even for the high school valedictorian. Your older child’s results sound like they were very good.

As one example, a while ago I checked on-line and it seems that there are about 35,000 high schools in the USA, including both public and private high schools. In a recent year MIT had something like 34,000 applicants. If you are the number 1 top student in your high school (either overall or in math and sciences), then you are pretty close to being the average applicant to MIT. Of course the acceptance rate is the single digits. I did attend and graduate from MIT a long time ago, although admissions has since of course become much more difficult over the years.

Yes I do think that for a high school valedictorian getting rejected from Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton, and/or Yale are common experiences (although I do know people who have attended all of these schools – some for graduate programs rather than undergraduate).

We focused more on helping our daughters find universities which would be affordable for us and a good fit for them. They both attended schools that fit these goals. Both however got their bachelor’s degree from schools that would have qualified pretty much as safeties (at least for admissions in both cases – one was affordable only with a good merit aid but the NPC did predict exactly what was offered). Then they both went on to very good and well ranked graduate programs that were a good fit for them.

In terms of where to apply and which school to attend, my feeling is that there are a lot of very good universities. Finding a school that is a good fit is way more important than ranking. Here my views might be somewhat skewed due to getting my bachelor’s degree at MIT and having a general sense that it might not have been the best fit for me.

In terms of getting accepted to highly ranked universities, my recommendation is that each student should be genuine, and should do what is right for them. As an example, what ECs were right for me and what ECs were right for my wife and what ECs were right for my two daughters were four very different sets of things.

And at least in my experience the strongest students seem to attend a huge number of different colleges and universities for their bachelor’s degree. If they go on to a graduate program then there may be some tendency for the strongest students to concentrate in the higher ranked graduate programs. However, here ranking can depend a great deal on what you are majoring in. The best schools for mathematics versus cellular biology versus veterinary medicine versus music can be four almost completely different sets of schools (with only a small and coincidental overlap).

So overall I think that your older child did very well in university admissions, and your younger child should be focusing on fit and if applicable affordability more than anything else.

And I do think that admissions to HYPSM seems to be hard to predict and based on more than just merit. To me this does not matter much simply because there are so many other very good options.

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