<p>may i respectfully point out that this is an entirely ridiculous argument to be having on CC…or rather…at all?
who cares about the statistics of it and the logistics into creating the statistics?</p>
<p>i say live life…dont worry about it–as a fellow christian, i say that let God decide what’ll happen, and you have every right to wonder what God’ll do, but don’t WORRY about God’ll do. you’ll be happy in the long run (:</p>
<p>best wishes
<3 sarah</p>
<p>I want to apologize for teeing off on the OP last night. I don’t like to do that to kids. I found the whole premise of the original post offensive, but thinking about it more I realized that it was hypocritical of me to find offensive something that, as a practical matter, describes the way most people (including myself) live their lives without ever talking about it explicitly.</p>
<p>That said, he had the racial-composition numbers backward. At the undergraduate level, Penn counts 42% students of color (black, Hispanic, Asian, American Indian). Some portion of the Hispanic students are likely to be indistinguishable from “white”, of course. The number of white undergraduate women is likely somewhere around 3,100.</p>
<p>Second, Hillel has a way of overcounting Jews. But even if you take its estimate at face value, that would leave at least 1,500 white, non-Jewish undergraduate women. </p>
<p>How many of those are straight and Christian is anyone’s guess. Depending on what you think of Catholics, Mormons, Quakers, Swedenborgians, “mainstream” Protestants who hit church a couple of times a year, people from Christian backgrounds who are not interested in religion at this point in their lives, and women who explore lesbianism during college, the number could be well over 1,000 or pretty small.</p>
<p>If the OP really cares about having a deep pool of confirmed (Evangelical or Charismatic) Christian women who are straight, white non-Hispanics, Penn may not be the right place for him. He should think about backing out of Penn ED and going to Pepperdine, where the relevant pool will be very, very deep and very, very “mate-able”. But I’m sure that he will find about as many at Penn (or slightly more) as there are straight, white, non-Hispanic Christian men. And they will probably be happy to meet him.</p>
<p>^^^
Great post JHS. Way to step up to the plate.</p>
<p> <1% American Indian/Alaskan Native
18% Asian/Pacific Islander
9% Black/Non-Hispanic
7% Hispanic
38% White/Non-Hispanic
10% Non-Resident Alien
18% Race/ethnicity unreported </p>
<p>OK with the corrected Collegeboard numbers (see above), 9800*.38 = 3724, 3000 are Jewish leaving 724. 724 *.53 female = 383. 383/4 = 96 as I prefer to date someone my age or a bit younger. Of the 96, subtract out some other subgroups that I am not interested in such as lesbians, atheists, fatties, uglies, white girls who only date non-whites, and career focused. 18-22 is a time of growth but its also peak time for finding your mate, especially since I have lived in Philly all my life and plan on never leaving. Thanks for all your comments and again it is not my intention to offend anyone, I am just trying to make sense of all this diversity in terms of getting a world-class education as well as setting up for a fulfilling life that includes compatible mate. I’'ll need to make it over to some Drexel parties.</p>
<p>Look on the Penn website at their incoming class profile for this year. It has meaningfully different percentages. Also, many Canadians, Brits, and other Europeans will qualify as white, and maybe even Christian (depending), so some portion of that non-resident alien group will be eligible, as well as some of the decline-to-states (but maybe you are not interested in white people who do not self-identify proudly?).</p>
<p>I’m not certain how much better Drexel is going to be.</p>
<p>If you have lived your entire life in Philly, where are all the high school girls and those from your church / social group? They all left Philly? I think you’re more likely to find a young lady that wants to stay in Philly after graduating from UPenn among those that grew up there.</p>
<p>FWIW - I think that 18% Race/ethnicity unreported, may contain a couple of girls that meet your profile…particularly if you decide to date Asian Christians.</p>
<p>Remember, too, that a certain percentage of those Jewish girls will also be ethnic Chinese or maybe Hispanic, because of international adoptions. (There isn’t a Hebrew school in the country that doesn’t have some ethnic Chinese girls.) You shouldn’t assume that all of the Jews are counted as whites.</p>
<p>(I am perversely reveling in the sheer, inherent offensiveness of this discussion.)</p>
<p>Is there any non-offensive reason why you are categorically disclaiming any potential romantic interest in non-white Christians (of whom there will be many at Penn)?</p>
<p>My parents will disapprove.</p>
<p>For real?!</p>
<p>^^^
In the words of JHS: “I am perversely reveling in the sheer, inherent offensiveness of this discussion.”
Just sit back dad2four and enjoy the insanity of the thread.</p>
<p>If I recall correctly, many things are done at college of which many parents would disapprove. If they knew about them. Sometimes they find out about them and disapprove, but learn that their disapproval means less than it used to.</p>
<p>I am not advocating lack of respect for parents. Never! Parents deserve respect! But I think you will find that your peers will not accept “my parents will disapprove” as a valid reason for anything. Ultimately, you choose what you are going to give them approval rights over, and what you aren’t.</p>
<p>No one is going to put a gun to your head and force you to date non-white people. But I would strongly urge you not to give your parents a veto over (and in fact not to allow your parents to express an opinion about, unless you specifically ask their advice, which you should not do) your choice of a mate.</p>
<p>Hmm, you might as well take it a step further and say that you will only date blue eyed blond Aryan Christians - people who do not fit this criteria are obviously Untermensch unworthy of your prized semen. Oh, but wait, that would make you sound like a famous Austrian wouldn’t it ? </p>
<p>This entire, “They are too many Jews and Asians at Penn, we need more whites” narrative is making me sick. This is the 21st century for God’s sake. You would think that people moved past notions of racial purity and segregation. Forget about race. What, are you afraid that, God forbid, your Aryan pureblood will get tainted by an Asian, or worse, by a Black? How did you get into Penn again? Forgive me if I am wrong but you sound very close minded and bigoted. </p>
<p>If you harbor such racially based feelings keep them to yourself. Did you for a second think about how this would come across to a Jew or an Asian or a non-white reading this board? Did you for a second consider the emotions you would be hurting ?</p>
<p>I’m done after this post. I am not trying to hurt anyone. I am just trying to convey my chances for finding a suitable and compatible mate at Penn. OK fine, I am openinig up my mind to a Hindu asian who is obese and handicapped. Satisfied?</p>
<p>Compatibility means “capable of existing or living together in harmony.” I love my parents and I respect their opinions and they are right in a lot of ways. In the US the melting pot of the world, the divorce rate is off the charts. It’s increasing the as more different people blend together. “The US has the world’s highest divorce rate, bar none–twice as high as the next highest country (Sweden) and 50 times higher than some countries.” I will have a greater chance of a long term marriage with someone who is like me in many respects.</p>
<p>Thank you for this discussion.</p>
<p>^^^
C’mon pennster14, your post is completely off base and inappropriate. Everyone has a right to choose who is attractive to them. Anyone who is offended because the OP wants a Christian girl of his own race needs to self medicate.</p>
<p>And I do not disagree with you. What I was saying was his tone suggested he harbors some racist sentiment. If he wants to date white girls only then he should do that but making a thread on this topic and saying the things he has said i feel is totally insensitive. He lives in philly for gods sake, he obviously knew about Penn’s racial make-up before hand. If he felt there were too many jews then he should have gone up to Pen and asked some Wasp if they were enough WASPs to go around. His talk about divorce rates of inter-racial couples etc further validates my suspicion that he harbors some racist sentiments. He is obviously making a point about the number of jews at penn, that is what isd making him uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Do they truly have to be white? Also, I bet that of the 28% who are international of non reported, most are whie too, bumping the number up probably to something closer to 60%. What i find most surprising is the number of Jews admitted to Penn. I have nothing agaisnt Jews (I have the utmost respect for them), I’m just surprised that a majority of “caucasians” admitted to Penn are Jewish. I find that fascinating, considering Jews represent .5% of the population.</p>
<p>I agree somewhat with pennboy25</p>
<p>The divorce rate is astronomical and some of that is due to inherent incompatibility and probably a good bit of that is due to racial background (if you were raised with different ideals, setting up a family with a central ideal is much harder). However, there are many other reasons for the high divorce rate (broken incentives, culture of commercialism, etc). So if you find yourself, at a later point in life, thinking about going against the “white christian girl only” mandate, ignore statistics because that girl is obviously more than just a national average and make your judgment in that particular context.</p>
<p>However, you are hurting yourself by trying out relationships with only that group of girls. Date some girls from other races and see what their outlooks are like. You might be surprised by similarities or legitimate dissents of opinion. You’re not going to college for a mate: you’re coming here to learn. That learning can extend outside the classroom because I highly doubt that you, at your 18 years of age, know what you want from a lifelong partner.</p>
<p>In partial defence of Pennboy25- the College Board and Hillel stats are accurate. About 70% of white students at Penn are Jewish, and Penn has the most Asians of any elite school, so if you are looking for a white, Christian female, the Penn student body has a lot less than say, Vanderbilt or Dartmouth or any state school.</p>
<p>However, if you are looking for a lifelong mate, you will probably want a wife significantly younger than you, say 2-10 years younger, so the undergraduate years are probably not the time to meet this person. There are many attractive catholic white girls at Villanova and a fair number of white girls at Swarthmore, Haverford and Bryn Mawr (whether they meet your attractiveness threshold is another question).</p>
<p>OP,
My Penn degree taught me how to summarize so I’ll say the following:</p>
<p>1) If you’re looking for an attractive and intelligent white christian girl, go check out Villanova. You’re not gonna find her at Penn, and while there are girls at the other schools in philly, nova girls are definitely smarter and hotter.
2) There’s lots of white people at Penn (they’re jewish), and there’s lots of christians at penn (they’re asian). It’s a fact.
3) You don’t want to marry a Penn girl anyway, for plenty of other reasons.
4) You don’t need to find your mate in college, either. Chill out.</p>
<p>I’ll leave all the commentary about who you should and shouldn’t date, and who penn should and shouldn’t admit to the rest of these clowns.</p>
<p>
Interesting turn to the thread. Why wouldn’t he (or anyone) want to marry a Penn girl?</p>