division 3 admissions

<p>will nyu, vassar, emory, m.i.t, washington st loius, accept students slightly below thier average scores if they are an outstanding mens soccer player?</p>

<p>I am interested as well, and, from what I gleen, the answer is yes, though it may be school dependent and player dependent. Historically, from our local HS, the stats for ED admits who were athletic recruits were lower than the other admits, and/or were admits where others with similar or better stats received denials. In my DS1 year, I remember distinctly two admits of athletes at a local well known LAC with less academic weight than he - lower GPAs, less rigor in course selection, few or no APs, lower SAT and SAT2 (by almost 200 points). I was very surprized, until I heard that they were recruits, one for track and the other for hockey. So, in a generalized way, yes.</p>

<p>The coaches usually, if they want you to play at their school, try to push for your admission. Depending on the pull that the coach has, the recruiting policy at the school in question will admit students accordingly. </p>

<p>It really depends on how much the school invests in their soccer program. I know that Vassar has a very good soccer program, and that the coach can help you get in. The same is the case for other top LACs. I also know that at MIT, academics come first, so if you aren't in the right range, they won't accept you regardless of what you can bring to the program. For the others, I am not so sure.</p>

<p>Good luck. If you'd like, you could PM me, as I am currently a senior in the process of recruitment for soccer.</p>

<p>also does anyone know about johns hokpkins and quinnipac</p>

<p>Quinnipac I bet yes. Hopkins, harder to say. I thought they were D1?</p>

<p>jhu is only d1 for lacrosse d3 for everything else</p>

<p>For smaller, less prestigious DIII programs you will see some "coaches exceptions" made. I wouldn't count on that happening at schools like Johns Hopkins however.</p>

<p>I have heard that coaches can have some pull when it comes to getting someone they are interested in. I am hoping this is the case as my daughter is waiting to hear from Trinity for EDII for Crew. Does anyone have information or experience with Trintiy in regards to "recruits" for Division III schools?</p>

<p>JHU coaches have a lot of pull, even in the non-lacrosse sports. How hard the coach is willing to push for you will obviously depend on how much he wants you. They will do pre-reads to get you checked out. </p>

<p>Having said that, their Dean of Admissions just left so don't know what the new Dean's policies will be.</p>

<p>Admissions help is given to athletes at many schools. From D1 to D3. From Harvard to XYZ State. Some top D3 schools like Amherst will be able to bend quite a ways for an athlete. They understand that many HS athletes spent 30 or even 40 hours per week training and playing their sport. If they had put these hours into schoolwork their grades would have been better. They dont want a class where every kid spent 40 hours a week in study.</p>

<p>JHU most certainly has bent the admissions rules for athletes or students with an exceptional talent in a particular field.</p>

<p>Some coach are given minimum standards. For example, the middle 50% at a school might be 31-33 ACT but a coach might be allowed 3 recruits per year with a minimum of 25 ACT. Ivies and the Patriot League have kids with 25 ACTs but there is a limit.</p>

<p>Google the series of articles about Haverford athletics and the recruit and admissions process.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>bantam16 - I sent you a PM.</p>

<p>whitcollar3,</p>

<p>I know for son's sport (baseball) the answer is no.....mit, washington in st louis, emory do not bend the admissions requirement. I would expect the same with soccer. I know current baseball players at all these schools, and they got in on academics alone. No coaching pull or influence whatsoever is what I was told.</p>

<p>Every school, sport and recruit is a different situation altogether. Reach out to the coach, and ask about their policies. You don't want to waste his time or your time when there are other options out there.</p>

<p>anothermom3,</p>

<p>Typically almost all D3 recruits are encouraged to apply ED to complete their recruitment and committment. So, depending on their admission policy they may or may not be accepted ED. Some schools will offer that ED "discount, and others won't. It is like a poker game.....the recruit has to figure out what cards he/she is holding (his or her skills relative to the pool of recruits) and what cards the college is holding. Every recruit needs to have a back up or contingency plan.</p>

<p>bantam16,</p>

<p>There is a lot of resources on this site related to NESCAC recruiting (Trinity College). I would do a search to find the nuggets you are looking for. My son was recruited by a couple NESCAC schools for baseball a couple years ago, however the Admission requirement for each of those NESCAC schools was somewhat different. NESCAC uses a banding system (A through D) with different ranges of SATs/GPAs. Son was considered a top 'A" band at one school, and bottom "A" band at another school. The schools have a number of recruits within those bands. I'd suggest you find out what those band cutoffs are for Trinity. We found it very easy to talk to the coach about this. They like to hear that you understand their process.</p>

<p>Best of luck.</p>

<p>This is all a nice, but I'll say it really depends on the caliber of athlete and whether there is a opportunity to promote the university(financially or in some other aspect) The admission standards are swayed everyday by an number factors from having a good doctor who is a personal doctor to a university president, to a big contributor or BOT alumni kid, an actor/actress(look at the Ivies admissions) to a athlete that wouldn't know what his/her name looked like on a piece of paper if I wrote it down and told them this what their name look like........</p>

<p>I hate to say it all the GPA/Scores stuff only means something to "regular people" if you are exceptional meaning extremely gifted/talented, rich or infamous it's really the schools option and a sliding scale and they really don't have to justify that with anyone.</p>

<p>schoolhouse,</p>

<p>I understand what you are saying. Most of the people on this site (and other sites that deal with atheltic recruiting) ) that I've gotten to know personally are not actors/actresses or can write a check for a new Engineering building. Those people would be less than 1%, and most of those folks will not be athletes anyway. I totally agree with you that it really depends on the caliber of athlete, and knowing where you fit in the athletic hierarchy. So for the other 99% of us, I think it is important to understand the process, know your skills, and know your skills relative to the pool of athletic talent you are competing against.</p>

<p>Feldy1: NESCAC schools (at least at the top of the NESCAC rankings) are not going to bend a great deal, if much at all away from the norms of that school's mean averages--but there may be a bit more flexibility in a sport such as hockey, but by and large --no. In fact, one of the selling points made to my D when she was being recruited was the number of fellowship winners that have come from the team, the team's academic average and presence of PBK members from the team. Coach Kuster made it clear that he was equally proud and concerned with the team's academic prowess as its athletic prowess. Now that may not always be the case for ever school or every sport, but I think it is more the case than not.<br>
At Williams faculty members volunteer to be "Faculty Partners" to a particular sport-- they are not advisors or tutors, but fans who my being a part of the team make each team a central part of the Williams experience--thus students see integration between sports and class rather than two separate parts of the experience. This could not happen if the admitted student athlete was outside of the norms for the College's student body.<br>
That is what makes D3-- esp a top D3 college experience so special-- there is balance between sports and the rest of college--thus athletes must be seen and accepted (in both senses of the word) as a regular member of the collegiate community.</p>

<p>I'm gonna have to say no on NYU, as I have a good amount of experience with that. Got straight up denied ED as a swimmer, coach couldn't pull me through. I had a pretty low GPA from them but from what the coach told me, all the sports there have very limited pull on the school overall.</p>

<p>Emory coach described it as follows....if you think of admission as three piles...yes, no, and maybe. He said he can help a maybe to a yes but can't help a no. He also said that he was unwilling to "support" an applicant if they had below a certain gpa/sat because he found below that threshold the student was unsuccessful. He gave specific numbers. Can't remember for sure what they were. That being said, I think there was one on the recruit trip that did not get in. We got the same impression from the other schools.</p>

<p>Vassar men's coach has some pull but I'm not sure for how many slots.</p>

<p>etondad wrote "NESCAC schools (at least at the top of the NESCAC rankings) are not going to bend a great deal, if much at all away from the norms of that school's mean averages--but there may be a bit more flexibility in a sport such as hockey, but by and large --no."</p>

<p>I have different info. Admit standards are bent quite a bit at Ivies and top D3 schools. My son's circle of athlete friends ranges from 3.94 GPA / 35 ACT admitted to Harvard on down to a kid squeaking into a state school. Below are a few actual numbers for athlete admits over the past 3 years. I know all of these kids and they come our 3 area high schools. You will see that these numbers are indeed different from the admitted norms.</p>

<p>School GPA 4.0 scale / ACT
Cornell 3.45 / 23
Cornell 3.71 / 24
Williams 3.69 / 28
Amherst 3.13 / 26
JHU 3.54 / 27
Columbia 3.13 / 26
Trinty 3.24 / 24</p>

<p>None of these students are hockey players. Golf, a few soccer, football, basketball and track. Mostly guys and a couple female. None are minorities.</p>

<p>It definitely depends on whether you fill a specific niche that they badly want/need.</p>

<p>The problem for these kids then is that, because they were at the bottom of the admit pool academically, they are competing in the classroom with kids achieving at a much higher level and are likely to struggle. I don't know why you'd want to do that to your kid.</p>