Do I need a senior math credit for the Seven Sisters?

<p>After intensive research, I am learning that most colleges/universities strongly consider students who have challenged themselves. In addition, I have read that its probably a good idea to have four years of math.</p>

<p>So far I have applied to Smith, Bryn Mawr and Simmons(Yes, I realize they are not apart of the seven Sisters). However, my heart is set on Smith as I love the atmosphere, the program and the overall feel that I get from talking to alumni. As I am choosing my courses for next semester, I don’t want anything to hurt my chances of being accepted. I am worried that if I don’t take a senior math course, colleges will think I have decided to become lazy. Although, that is not the case at all. When I took math in my junior year, I would stay up till 2am studying. I managed to pass the class(barely) coupled with a whole lot of anxiety and crying. I can’t afford for this to happen again in my last year. What do I do?</p>

<p>Btw, </p>

<p>The only math courses available at my small private school is Foundations of Math 12 and Pr-Calculus(Grade 11 Course)
My other courses which I am taking include, Economics, Law, Biology 1 & 2, & Environmental Science.</p>

<p>Smith recommends 3 years of math. Whether you should attempt another year might depend on a few things: previous math grades, SAT (comp & math), GPA, what your academic interests are, career goals, gut feeling as to how much more anxiety and crying will result from pre-calc. Maybe you could provide details.</p>

<p>@Dunboyne‌ My previous math grades were low, the highest I have gotten was a C. I planning on majoring in Communications with a concentration in Journalism. Still awaiting SAT scores.</p>

<p>–What is your current GPA?
–Is Pre-Calc considered an Honors course at your HS?
–When do you get those SAT scores?</p>

<p>@Dunboyne‌
No, Pre-Calc is not an honors course.
SAT scores will be available on the 23rd.
GPA: 3.6</p>

<p>With a C in pre-calc, I’m guessing your GPA would fall maybe 0.04. With a B it might be 0.02 lower. That’s assuming you can replace the grade with an A in something else. </p>

<p>Smith, Barnard, and Bryn Mawr recommend 3 years of math. Wellesley and MHC recommend 4 years. Having that 4th year of math definitely adds rigor, plus there are a number of majors where you would need to take pre-calc/calc. Right now, you probably can’t envision yourself in a major where even intro math is required, but quite often students’ interests change. </p>

<p>It’s hard to gauge how appealing you are for the Sisters without that SAT. Keep in mind, the lower your SAT, the more important it becomes to add rigor to your transcript.</p>

<p>Your second semester senior year class wrk is not counted in the GPA for admissions. Are you a senior?<br>
Regardless. Take the math. Do your best. You will need a strong foundation for college level work no matter where ypu end up</p>

<p>I can sympathize, having watched my daughter struggle with math in high school and seen how much pain it caused her.</p>

<p>I hate to say it, but not having taken pre-calc will probably be a negative at Smith and Bryn Mawr. I don’t know about Simmons. I’m not saying that you wouldn’t still get in, but on a scale of negative/neutral/positive I think it’d be a negative rather than a neutral. I would think that almost all of the applicants to Smith will have taken 4 years of math, and probably higher than pre-calc. If your other accomplishments can weigh the scale in the other direction, it might be OK, but if you’re otherwise a middle-of-the-road applicant… my gut feeling is that it would be a negative. </p>

<p>We attended an admissions talk at Wellesley College where high school math was discussed. Granted, Wellesley is more selective than Smith, but they told us that they expect to see a student having taken calculus by graduation, and pre-calc at the very least. They went on to say that they want to see students challenge themselves, and that they’d rather see a student attempt a class they struggle in, rather than not attempt it at all. Perhaps, if you do decide to take it, you use it in your essay and describe how you challenged yourself in math even though you knew it was a weakness?</p>

<p>I’ll also echo Duboyne’s comment above: your interests may change and you’ll find yourself wishing you had that math. In high school, my daughter hated math with a vehement passion. She was certain she would be an art/psychology major. Well, she’s a freshman in college now, and a biology major. She really discovered her passion. And guess what? She has to take a math class for her major, and she needed that pre-calc class she ended up taking in high school! (For what it’s worth, my daughter found out just before senior year that she had ADD and low working memory, which manifested most clearly in math. When she realized this, and learned some basic skills to compensate, her math grades improved dramatically. Something to consider?)</p>

<p>On the other hand, sanity and stress are an important consideration, especially if you’re prone to depression or unhealthy coping mechanisms… so do weigh this carefully :)</p>

<p>Personal experience: my D only had 3 years of math (due to a health crisis that was explained) but she did complete pre-calculus. She was accepted at Mount Holyoke and waitlisted at Wellesley; denied at Smith. GPA ~3.5; SAT 2100 with high SAT2s, excellent recs.</p>

<p>Since as momneeds2know stated, your second semester grades don’t affect your GPA, I’d recommend you take the pre-calc class (or the Foundations 12, but only if it includes pre-calc - ask your GC). Just don’t get a D or F, as that may jeopardize your acceptance. And if you’ve already sent in your applications (with the list of senior year classes) make SURE that either you or your GC send the college an updated class list showing the Pre-Calc class on your schedule (or the Foundations, with a note stating it includes pre-calc). You are very lucky that your HS offers half-year math classes, too. At my D’s school, all the math classes were a year long, so this option would not have been a possibility.</p>

<p>@staceyneil‌ Thank you for understanding. I have decided to take Pre-Cal this year. Wow, I can’t believe she was denied at Smith with those credentials. I am worried now. I updated the Common App with a list of courses that I am taking next semester. Do I need to notify the school (s) as well?</p>

<p>Yes, I would update them yourself (a simple email to the admissions rep) and I’d also ask your guidance counselor if he/she can send a note about it. Good luck!</p>

<p>Yes send a note to your rep. Two sentences saying something like to enhance my preparation for college level course work I’ve enrolled in calc. Be altert to changes on my common app. Bla bla bla… Hint sell your preparation or hook at every chance. Ur welcome. </p>

<p>Good choice @rose43. Pre-Calc looks good on your app profile, plus there’s a fair chance that you’ll need it for college. Stay on top of the material and communicate with the teacher. You can do it.</p>

<p>I really think it’s better to challenge yourself an earn a c than play it safe for As. This is how you “grow” your intelect. IMO none of the seven sisters schools are easy. Facing a challenge now will help you over the next four years. Good luck. </p>