Do I need to Score-Choice away two 730s? No, I'm not crazy.

<p>I took my first round of SAT Subject Tests this month and got a 780 and two 730s. I thought my parents would be happy, but they’re all but insisting I either cancel the 730s or not report them to colleges. It took a bit of arguing to keep them from canceling all of them right after I took them, because when they asked if I was sure I’d gotten at least a 700 or so on everything I told them no.</p>

<p>Their concern is that, since most of my colleges are highly ranked and I’ll be competing against a lot of people with no scores below 750 or so, my sub-750 scores will actually hurt me. My concerns are (1) that having too few SAT Subject Tests will hurt me by keeping me from appearing well-rounded academically (especially since I only have a couple of AP tests to send) and (2) that a 730 is not a bad score and, frankly, I may not reach it again with any more Subject Tests I take, so I should be safe and take what I can get.</p>

<p>I remember hearing that colleges look mostly at your top two scores and that low ones can’t hurt you. Then again, I’m not sure I want to bet my admission on that. Who’s right?</p>

<p>Bump. 10char</p>

<p>It depends on which tests were the 730s. </p>

<p>A 730 in Literature is the 87th percentile. This is nothing to be ashamed of, as it is the 87th percentile of a small group of students who are applying to the top colleges.</p>

<p>A 730 in Chinese–Listening is the 18th percentile. </p>

<p>Here’s the link to percentiles: <a href=“http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/research/SAT-Subject-Tests-Percentile-Ranks-2012.pdf[/url]”>http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/research/SAT-Subject-Tests-Percentile-Ranks-2012.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>One of the 730s was in Literature, as you guessed, and the other was in Math 1. Interestingly, the 780 was in Math 2.</p>

<p>To be clear, what I’m asking isn’t whether a 730 is noticeably worse than a 780 - as you said, that depends on the test - it’s whether a 780 and two 730s would put me in a worse place than just the 780 (when adding whatever other tests I take to each side).</p>

<p>I’ll chime in here. </p>

<p>If you have Score Choice, and time, why not just wait until you see how you do on the second round of tests (if you are taking the SAT-II again)? </p>

<p>That is, report the 780 now. Then wait to see how you do. If you get 700 and 680, then report one of the 730s you already have. </p>

<p>I don’t know if I understand Score Choice properly. If you don’t report one of the 730s right now, does it disappear forever, or could you report it later?</p>

<p>As far as other things: </p>

<p>I’m a Harvard alum and have interviewed for them for about 20 years. I don’t think there is much point in taking multiple SAT-IIs to attempt to show you’re “well-rounded.” They ask for two. Give them the best two. End of story. I don’t think reporting 5 or 6 will significantly affect your chances of admission in any way. Better to report a 780 and an 800 on two of them, than a 780, 800 730, 680, 710 and 720 on six of them. </p>

<p>Also, really, what are you talking about practically? I mean, if you had gotten a 750 instead of a 730, would you report a 750? I think you would. You seem comfortable reporting a 780… so really, what you’re talking about is 20 points, which is kind of ridiculous when you think about it.</p>

<p>This last year, in my metro region of about 1 million people (a small city somewhere in the US,) only ONE student was admitted Regular Action out of 115 who applied (4 got in early.) I interviewed that girl. She attended a public magnet school in the city which had the IB program. The highest grade allowed in the school was an A+ – 97%-100%. The girl had gotten an A+ in every single class she took every semester since 8th grade. This is one of the best schools in my city, and I’ve interviewed students form there before, and this was the most amazing transcript I had ever seen-- the school grades hard, and what she did was unheard of. No one has ever done what she did there. Ever. She also took several more classes than normal, removing her lunch period two years to fit in more classes, so she graduated with more credits than normal. In addition to the IB program, she had taken 10 AP exams and gotten a 5 on 9 of them and a 4 on one. Also, her school did not offer AP Chemistry, so she bought a book and taught herself. She got a 5 on the AP exam. On a whim, she took the Chemistry Olympiad test, and scored 4th highest in 8 counties and qualified for nationals— without ever taking the class. She taught herself entirely. Additionally, she did genetics research at a local university, and was the captain of the girls crew and cross country teams, and was manager of the boys’ basketball team. She got a 2400 on the SAT and 2 800s on the SAT II. </p>

<p>However, she did only take two SAT-II exams. </p>

<p>My general experience is this: Once you reach a certain threshold, which is somewhere over a 700, then many other things come into play. The prime one I have noticed is this: Have you not only taken advantage of everything your school has to offer, excelling in the hardest classes— but have you gone above and beyond that in some way? That “above and beyond” can be lots of things</p>

<p>It is harder than ever to get in to Harvard, and the quality of applicants has gone up significantly in the time I’ve been interviewing. There were several other very good candidates I interviewed who didn’t even get waitlisted this year. I am not making this candidate up that I discussed above. </p>

<p>I hope that gives you some understanding of how things are right now. </p>

<p>You’re stressing over 20 points, but there is so much more that goes into these decisions.</p>

<p>In all the years I’ve been interviewing-- I’ve interviewed about 40 students— only 3 were admitted, which is about right (about 8-10%). The girl above, and two others. </p>

<p>Here’s a summary of the other two:</p>

<p>One guy: So advanced in physics he was co-teaching his high school physics class. Additionally he had written a symphony under the tutelage of a famous orchestra, had written three novels, his poetry had won a major international competition, he had done cancer research at a famous research hospital, had taken 10 APs and gotten a 5 on all of them… I recall that he only had like a 760 and 780 on the SATs though.</p>

<p>One girl: Good grades and decent test scores, but not 800, 800 800 or even close. She was, however, the US National President of the Catholic Youth of America-- she had MAJOR responsibilities with this position— and had done an internship with the Pope in the Vatican. </p>

<p>There you have it.</p>

<p>Well, I’m not anywhere near as well-qualified as any of those three, so I don’t really have the opportunity to not rely on my SAT IIs. You have indicated that it’s better to send only the two best ones than a few of them, and I will take this to mean that you agree with my parents, but I only have a couple of AP test scores and haven’t done any significant research.</p>

<p>I don’t think I agree with your parents entirely.</p>

<p>A 730 is an excellent score any way you slice it. I would have no problem with you reporting both 730s. However, since you seem concerned with it (or your parents do) why not just wait to see how you do the second time around? If you get a 780 next time then report that?</p>

<p>Personally, I’d probably just report the 730s and be done with it.</p>

<p>When I applied Harvard required three SAT-IIs, not 2 as they do now. I scored 740, 780 and 800. I didn’t cancel the 740 and didn’t feel like I needed to take it again.</p>

<p>Thanks for the info. I do have one question: if you had taken four (let’s say you got a 740 on the fourth), would you have sent all four or only selected three of them? That is… assuming that I only have to send two, should I specifically only pick my best two?</p>

<p>I have my SAT II scores on my Common App, so this is all assuming that I’d be able to find a way to let some colleges find out and not others… Maybe I could only put the ones I’m comfortable having all of them see on my Common App…</p>