<p>Once you get to grad school are in-staters still favored?</p>
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<p>no. think of all the public schools as if they were private schools in terms of admissions. but after that, then the in-state benefit would be paying lower tuition! (although you’d probably still be paying a slightly lower tuition as out-of-state compared to going to private).</p>
<p>for UCs, admissions are generally easier in-state</p>
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<p>is this for sure? could it be that california happens to have a large pool of strong applicants who want to stay in-state, and thus many get accepted?</p>
<p>There’s no way to generalize across types of grad school. The law school, for instance, takes residence into account, but a PhD program in chemistry probably won’t care if you’re even an American citizen, much less what state you’re from.</p>
<p>As a general rule, public GRADUATE schools do NOT prefer in-state students… especially PhD programs… no preference at all.</p>
<p>There are a few exceptions: some medical schools in more rural states have preferences for in-state students who plan to stay in-state.</p>
<p>Most public professional schools, especially med schools, have a heavy preference for in-state students (note that there are some exceptions like Michigan, which only slighly favors in-staters). Most (all?) PhD programs couldn’t care less</p>
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<p>I wouldn’t say it’s just a few exceptions. As stated by ohnoes has said, almost all public professional schools favor in-staters to some extent.</p>
<p>For example, consider this blurb from UCSF, which is arguably the best public med-school, and the best overall med-school on the West Coast. </p>
<p>"Does UCSF School of Medicine give preference to California residents?</p>
<p>Yes. The Committee on Admissions gives preference to California residents, who make up about 80 percent of the entering class annually."</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.medschool.ucsf.edu/admissions/apply/gettingstarted.aspx#started_ca_pref[/url]”>http://www.medschool.ucsf.edu/admissions/apply/gettingstarted.aspx#started_ca_pref</a></p>
<p>From Boalt Hall’s (berkeley’s law school for those who are unfamiliar) website:</p>
<p>“Do in-state applicants have higher preference than those from out of state?”</p>
<pre><code>You have a roughly equal chance of being admitted regardless of your residency. We strive to enroll a class that has a majority of residents, but we offer admissions to an equal number of residents and nonresidents in order to obtain the ration we seek.
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<p><a href=“http://www.law.berkeley.edu/admissions/jddegree/faq.html#Q3[/url]”>http://www.law.berkeley.edu/admissions/jddegree/faq.html#Q3</a></p>
<p>I’ve read that Boalt quote before and I find that a shading of the truth. The fact is, the pool of in-state applicants is of lower quality than the pool of out-of-state applicants, chiefly because a lot of decent, but not great, instaters will apply to Berkeley hoping to get in and get instate tuition, whereas generally, only relatively strong out-of-staters will apply to Berkeley. </p>
<p>I think the real way to resolve the issue is to look at the qualifications of the instate vs. out-of-state admittees. I believe that LSDAS publishes a book that shows the GPA’s and LSAT scores of instate and out-of-state admittees for all public schools (and the stats for all the private schools as well).</p>
<p>“The fact is, the pool of in-state applicants is of lower quality than the pool of out-of-state applicants”</p>
<p>Wow … and therefore by induction, the pool of out-of-country
applicants are ‘higher quality’ than US resident applicants!
Perhaps they spend more time hitting the books?
Or their brains are better developed due to learning by osmosis
in early childhhood? Not sure where you’re going with this!</p>
<p>For law and medicine in CA, you have a better shot if you did
5 years of Spanish. Understandable, given the demographics.</p>
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Do you have a credible source on this?</p>
<p>This is from the GC’s at my school at last years UC preso.
- UC’s like to see 3 years of Spanish (not the minimum two)
- UCLA law and medicine like to see 5 years of Spanish (true?);
if you don’t have it already you’ll have to do it either in undergrad
(pre-med, pre-law) or in grad school; Better to be prepared early.
That’s how the discussion went. Perhaps you can confirm or deny?</p>
<p>Just one point about phd programs: public phd programs will not fund international students, if accepted they don’t get any tution coverage or any stipend. ( At least this was the case in for the classes entering in 2005)</p>
<p>true or not, it’s understandable that a med school or law school may be looking for spanish speakers who can better serve the big spanish-speaking population in california. but if true, is spanish the only language that gets a boost? what about mandarin/chinese to serve the growing chinese population in california? </p>
<p>hmm… one of my pre-med friends is minoring in spanish (not her native language or culture either). maybe she knows about this secret!</p>
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<p>Why do I have to go anywhere with this? I am stating a fact. The fact is, lots of California residents, even those that are not that good, will try to shoot for UC professional schools as ‘reaches’, because they figure that if they luckily get in, they will be able to enjoy instate tuition. However, out-of-state residents have no such incentive and therefore no incentive to treat them as reaches. </p>
<p>Let me give you an example. Let’s say I’m a California resident with decent, but not spectacular, GPA and MCAT scores. I might treat the UC med-schools, even the “less prestigious” UC med-schools, as reach schools? Why not? If I get in and matriculate, I get the tasty instate tuition. However, if I’m a Nevada resident, I would not enjoy the same benefit. Hence, I’d be far more likely to treat Harvard and Johns Hopkins as reaches. In my case, other than a Nevada med-school, I don’t have any cheap yet highly prestigious med-school option available to me. </p>
<p>I mean, seriously, look, California residents know that they get admissions preference to many UC professional schools. Hence, knowing that, they know that they might have a shot even if they’re not all that good. Ouf of staters have no such luxury. It is therefore only logical that the instate pool of applicants would be of lower quality. Again, honestly, do you think that the level of California residents applying to a UC med-school is the same as the level of Florida or New York residents applying to that same UC med-school?</p>
<p>Berkeley tends to like students who spell its name correctly.</p>
<p>Winner: thewholeperson winningly wins the thread for the win.</p>