do you believe there is a GOD?

<p>“Be full of happy”? </p>

<p>I lol’d.</p>

<p>I wonder how society would function if every person deluded him/herself into being “full of happy”. But I doubt “True Christians” are any happier than anybody else, considering “true christianity” involves denying most things that are inherently pleasing to a human being (most religions involve this, strangely). Though I suppose if you limit your definition of true christians to only happy people… Even so, the love for Jesus that emanate from “True Christians” is more disturbing than beautiful. It’s like falling in love with a girl you’ve only seen from playboy. Actually, it’s probably more like a cult of personality… this love is likely very similar to the love the North Korean youth express for Kim Jong-Il, which I don’t think anybody here will claim to be “beautiful”.</p>

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<p>Really? Because I don’t personally find it that beautiful when a “true Christian” refutes every opinion I do not share with them by saying “GOD LOVES YOU STOP BEING HATEFUL”. Maybe that’s just me.</p>

<p>By the way, THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER LOVES YOU STOP BEING HATEFUL.</p>

<p>Relax folks! Why such vitriol? Just get happy whatever way you can so ya’ll are more fun to chat wit. Try taking yourself a little less serious . . . and . . . be happy! It really is a more funner way to live life. You’ll get immense loads of deep happy with Jesus. Just try a taste, you just might like it!</p>

<p>By the way, I love spaghetti, especially for leftovers. Sweet dreams big guns. Gotta get my beauty sleep.</p>

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<p>You said “immense loads of deep happy”. You don’t know how :smiley: I am right now</p>

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Trust me, the “beauty of love” can emanate from anyone, Christian or not. What do you mean by my “paradigms”? Anyway, all the kids who come running to give me hugs every time I volunteer sure wouldn’t think I was a very cynical, angry, miserable person… In fact, they might even say the beauty of love emanates from me (I doubt it :p… maybe if you told them it would embarrass me ;)).</p>

<p>I think everyone has a dark side, even you. I can’t figure out why you pretend like you don’t… Is it that you are desperately trying to win any battle you can against me, against atheists? Is your last resort is to prove that Christians have better character? No matter what, I bet you do get depressed, maybe even regularly. I bet you do get frustrated, maybe even during the course of this very debate. The harder my grandma smiles, the more you know she’s seething on the inside. Are Christians really that different than the rest of us? Or is it that they are just more likely to deny their true feelings?</p>

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<p>This is the number one problem. People would rather live a happy lie than seek the sometimes scary truth.</p>

<p>Of course we all have a dark side. The reason that I’m happy is because I know that even though when I screw up, Jesus’ blood on the cross can wipe that away. Now that doesn’t give us the right to do whatever we want because if we do that it says that we pretend that Jesus does not exist. And when bad things happen to me, I can look to the cross and know that God has a purpose for whatever happens. Jesus was flogged, beaten and hung on the cross. I’d call that as bad of a day as anybody will probably ever had. But in the end he rose from the grave and was the sacrifice for our sins so that we can spend eternal life with him.</p>

<p>gotakun, Jesus loves you so much and he will keep calling you to him. However, it is not for us to persuade you, it’s your own personal decision. You can keep rebuking him but he will keep giving you chances to repent and surrender your life to him. </p>

<p>Ok, that’s all I’ve got to say.</p>

<p>@long</p>

<p>Yah I know that Einstein wasn’t religious, just using him to support the assertion that there is something beyond the purely scientific and provable (something spiritual).</p>

<p>Nice Pierre.</p>

<p>I don’t really understand why you people keep believing Jesus got resurrected for absolutely no reason other than that a book told you.</p>

<p>I also really don’t understand why people get tis illusion that the God of the bible is some sort of hippie-god that loves everyone. The dude is an ego-maniacal dictator that slaughters children and commits genocide just for giggles. I mean, okay, worshiping this power makes sense if you want to appease it with praise and get rewarded with heaven, but pretending he’s the epitome of a lovable awesomeness is just creepy. I mean, for a culture that hates tyranny, people sure like worshiping the ultimate self-loving tyrant. At least more esoteric religions don’t involve this sort of creepy indoctrination.</p>

<p>Believe in our loving God or burn in the depths of hell for eternity.</p>

<p>@Ray192 “Fear is the heart of love,” right? ;)</p>

<p>Okay… So after reading an article about the studies that show religious people are happier, I’ve thought up a new reason that could trump my argument: denial. Religious people are in denial when tragedy hits. They don’t believe their loved one is truly gone. They don’t believe they are no longer being taken care of when they lose their job (They’re still in their god’s hands). No one is going to force the widowed woman who pretends her husband is still at war to accept that he died. She’s happier in denial, so live and let live, right? Denial is one thing you can’t intentionally replace in religion’s absence… Hm…</p>

<p>Ray192, another interesting thing we should consider other than Christianity is Judaism. Judaism is responsible for the 1st half of the Bible. Do you believe that what happened in the Old Testament of the Bible (forget Jesus’s resurrection) is true?</p>

<p>Gotakun: They may report being happier, but one thing I’d consider is whether they’re actually better off. Interesting (peer reviewed) article on that.<br>
<a href=“http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP07398441_c.pdf[/url]”>http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP07398441_c.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I don’t think that being religious means that you are better off. That in my opinion is false. I don’t know of anybody in the Bible that lived perfect and amazing lives because they believed in God/Jesus.</p>

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<p>How does that matter one iota? The thing that doesn’t make sense is that Judaism/Christianity/Islam believes all of that stuff happened, and STILL worship the ■■■■■■■. If the old testament is true, then I would damn myself to hell before ever professing undying love to that demonic maniac.</p>

<p>“If the old testament is true, then I would damn myself to hell before ever professing undying love to that demonic maniac.”</p>

<p>Ok, well I’m not going to argue with you anymore since it’s not going to change your heart and you seem to have made up your mind. There’s always time though to change though before you die and God will make opportunities to do that.</p>

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<p>Typical. Say that you hope I turn around, yet provide not a single reason why. Why should I worship something that killed off every single first born in a country, and ordered the extermination of all the Amlekites (not to mention punishing those who did not follow his genocidal tendencies)? How is this god a loving deity?</p>

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Thanks for that. I’ll read into it a little later… It’s a difficult read for me :(. From the abstract, it sounds exactly in line with one detriment I stated earlier (neglecting worldly problems).</p>