The problem is… “arbitrary and capricious” application of “the rules.”
FWIW @romanigypsyeyes I love western MI…in summer! Best beaches in the midwest by far 
^^^ Like sanctuary cites/counties and now states…
Careful when rooting for the non-application of a law because you believe you hold a moral high ground. Not to much later (place a bet with yourself) someone, somewhere will want to not uphold a law you do stand behind.
It’s call a precedent. And those should be set with extreme care.
ICE should have one standard for deportation for all. If a criminal conviction gets a poor person deported, it should also deport a doctor. (In today’s medical school application process, the misdemeanor convictions would have kept him out of medical school). We shouldn’t have different standards for the poor versus the rich or middle class. I think everyone would agree with that.
Of course we can. Since they don’t take everyone–let’s start with some parameters, such as not a danger, contributes to the country, strong ties to family and work and community. Rich, poor, or in between.
“In today’s medical school application process, the misdemeanor convictions would have kept him out of medical school”
That depends on how good his counselor is. 
I’ve had one student get into a U.S. med school with a misdemeanor record and an expulsion.
Getting back to the original topic, here is a story from Maine:
From the article above:
"Zachary Heiden, the legal director for the ACLU of Maine, said he would recommend citizens and non-citizens talk to an attorney before answering any questions from law enforcement.
“I don’t want to live in a world where the government is able to constantly demand that I show my papers,” Heiden said. “And in order to fight back against that, it requires me not to cooperate with Customs and Border Protection.”"
I’m with Zachary.
Don’t worry about the license plate readers. It won’t be long before facial recognition is everywhere. How many of us have posted pictures of ourselves on Facebook or some other social app. The government will have the majority of the data without any effort on their part.
So they’re allowed to ask if you’re a citzen, but they’re not allowed to ask for proof. Except that if you’re not a citizen you are supposed to be carrying something and show it.
How can they tell if someone is lying? Are they just waiting to see if someone has an accent? What if I answer “si” instead of “yes”? What if I write the word “yes” on a piece of paper but refuse to speak?
H and I got caught up in a horrible line at customs intake at IAD a few years ago. Facial recognition must have raised a flag with him and they only had one agent processing those people (and all the people traveling with them). The agent asked him if he had ever lived in Miami, lol, so I was wondering what specific criminal he matched. I asked about it but the agent just laughed.
Like much of our security, it is theater, and an expensive and cumbersome theater that doesn’t do much good.
Citizens can move around freely. Non-citizens?
Freely move around means not being harassed and asked for paperwork, asked questions, etc. when one is just going about one’s business. This is happening to citizens as well as non-citizens. I’m surprised you are okay with this, @twoinanddone, and aren’t concerned about what a slippery slope it is to your constitutional freedoms and civil liberties as an American citizen.
This should be a bipartisan concern.
It seems there is a new law:
Yes, because those states are not Real ID compliant yet.
Doesn’t explain the harassment addressed on this thread.
Well, the trouble-shooting column in our local paper says I can get a new REAL ID license as a duplicate license with same expiration date by going IN PERSON and standing in line again and paying another $6 for a duplicate license! It also says no need to get it until 2020 and even then, can use other documents such as passport. I’m assuming Global Entry Card and should also work fine, as it’s a govt issued ID which even requires your fingerprints!
You are asked for paperwork to ‘freely move around’ when you get on an airplane and you don’t object. If you want to enter a government building, you have to show an ID. Why can’t you be asked if you want to get on a bus or train who you are and if you are legally in the country?
I waited in line. I paid the enormous fees for my daughter to immigrate and obtain citizenship. Now if she’s asked if she’s a citizen, she says yes. If I’m asked, I say yes. When I visit other countries, I show them my paperwork whenever asked as that’s what I agreed to when asking permission to visit. Anyone with a green card agreed to show that card whenever asked. That was a condition of being granted the card. Anyone entering on a visa also agreed to the terms before coming to the US. Non-citizens don’t have the right to ‘freely move around.’ They have to provide an address and contact information.
I think it does make a big different where you are. When I lived in California, there were check point stops. They asked if we were all citizens, we said yes, and then went on our way. Was it a pain to have to be stopped? Sure, but like a DUI stop, it is legal. We had people jumping off boats to get into the country in our city. Yes, I wanted them asked for their paperwork and if my kids happened to be on the beach at the same time, they could be asked if they were citizens too.
I think of these stops as being the ICE version of Stop and Frisk. There is no probable cause to question you but you somehow fit the profile.
I don’t even think the TSA needs to check the DL. The airline could in order to make sure the ticket was not resold but the TSA’s role is to only check for weapons. As long as a person’s items are scanned, I am good with them going on the plane.
FYI - DUI checkpoints are illegal in WA and in several other states.
@twoinanddone – so if you’re walking down the street, or on the beach, and they ask you if you are a citizen, all one has to do is say yes? And they’ll leave you alone without asking for proof? Is that true if you have an accent, or are brown, or black? Why do I think it would be easy for me to say yes, and not have to offer proof, but less so for my Latinx friends? And why should some citizens have to prove that they are, and not others? Or are you saying we should all have to carry our “papers” at all times?