Do you give handouts to the homeless?

<p>I have really enjoyed the discussion so far. Thank you to everyone that shared stories about what they’ve seen or experienced regarding homelessness. It really is worth noting that while many people theoretically could just go to a shelter and get their lives on track, is it worth it to forego giving to those who truly need it? As Whatapainthisis showed, there are some people who truly might just need that little bit to get their lives together. Though I understand that giving the money prolongs the issue for many beggars, I don’t think I could abstain from thinking, “What if that person really did need it?” Unfortunately sometimes you can’t really know, and since that’s the case, I’m willing to be wrong considerably more often than I am right. Not to mention all of those who simply can’t get their lives back together and I feel it’s worth it to give to those who ask.</p>

<p>Laxmom, the current foreclosure issue is one I didn’t consider. I know often my family has cut expenses frighteningly close (sometimes my parents’ clients have forgotten to pay–maybe not a big deal to them, but a huge one to us), and it’s not at all hard to imagine a family living off a couple hundred or so less a month that would’ve been completely ruined by a seemingly minuscule shift in financial circumstances.</p>

<p>I started crying Whatapainthisis when I read your post. Thank you for sharing.
You are an inspiring individual.</p>

<p>Would you go stay in a shelter, knowing your meager possesions would be stolent while you sleep? That’s the choice they face.</p>

<p>I think someone’s meager possessions could just as easily be stolen while he slept on the street. I do not give to panhandlers on the street. I do give generously to organizations that provide help, such as food, medical care, etc.</p>

<p>I think that a larger percentage of your money will go to actually helping people if you give it to a reputable homeless assistance organization than if you hand it over to homeless people. Those administrative costs will be greatly outweighed by the percentage of the direct handouts that will go to alcohol.
I think this is a difficult problem. I tend to agree that giving money to many panhandlers probably doesn’t help them much, and that giving to organizations is better. Of course, it’s only better if you actually give the money to the organization.</p>

<p>One can just donate food to soup kitchens too.</p>

<p>At our son’s school this past year, a student gave some money to a panhandler on the walk between campuses. The panhandler grabbed his arm, assaulted the student and took his wallet. He was eventually caught.</p>

<p>In one of my experiences with a panhandler, I offered a very nice wrapped sandwhich which I had purchased and the person declined it. It appears that he wanted money for some other reason.</p>

<p>It’s not that hard to buy food or toiletries in bulk for soup kitchens and you don’t have to worry about administration fee issues. The soup kitchen doesn’t have to worry about transportation issues either.</p>

<p>I had a hard time coming back to this thread. When I wrote the thread, I said that I now see myself as an observer of my past, but then when I came back and read what I wrote, I could not read it without crying and had to keep coming back. Maybe this is really just a hard time with me. My own daughter is the age that I was, and we just returned last night from her college orientation.</p>

<p>Anyhow, there are issues with so called “benevolent organizations” that only people who’ve needed them or who are in legal services really know.</p>

<p>One time during that time period, I needed medicine, and was referred by social services to Catholic Charities. So I went there and was given an appointment with a counselor. He seemed like a nice man, and gave me a voucher to get my medicine. During this appointment, he told me he was a former friar and that he’d suffered from polio as a child (his one leg was severely affected but he was able to get around amazingly). Anyhow, by the end of the appointment, he asked me out to dinner.</p>

<p>Although I’d dated some, I left my parents’ home a virgin, and I was a very naive and pretty girl at that point. He was about 30 years old, and I really thought that he was being nice to me. By that point, my mom was coming out of the shelter, starting her life over with a little boy, and she was immediately suspect of him.</p>

<p>He took me out to dinner at Bennigan’s (fancy for me then). He also worked at a homeless shelter, and he gave me some clothes, gave me his home number, and eventually took me out to try to learn to drive, and let me use his shower one time (remember, I had no heat in my apartment). </p>

<p>He was a gentleman during those times, but eventually the day came that he tried to kiss me, which I resisted. Then he went all out and asked me to marry him, which I declined, and our relationship ended. I think what disappointed me more than anything was realizing that he probably preying on me from the beginning, that his intent was not benevolent. Now that I am an adult and a professional, I realize that he breached a lot of boundaries. </p>

<p>In my professional life, I have seen other people directed to charitable organizations who are in danger of losing their children in foster care. These organizations in my area are always Catholic. While they are not supposed to push their dogma, their take on life and how they perceive the actions of the people sent to them is affected by their mindset. </p>

<p>For example, I’ve seen a situation where a woman was the breadwinner, the husband stayed home with the kids. She was smarter, and he had ADHD. One time, their child went to the hospital with an injury, and they called CPS. Although abuse was ruled out (accidental injury caused by equipment malfunction), while investigating, they discovered the husband’s ADHD. They then deemed his children in danger of neglect due to his lack of ability to pay attention (not proven). They told the wife to stay home and take care of the kids or send them to daycare and to make him get a job. They also told them both to go to parenting and anger management (just in case). Well, the parents couldn’t do it. The classes were during the day, so was work, so was daycare. They had these beautiful blond haired, blue eyed infants. Inevitably the foster-adopt parents, two women who were social services professionals began to make allegations. When the little boy got out of the tub, he “presented his bottom to her”. Before you know it, they hadn’t gotten their “plan” completed in 18 months, so their rights were terminated, and these two lovely and “well-qualified” parents got the kids.</p>

<p>What really turned me off was the realization that the charities were not in it for the kids, but for the grants that they receive from social services to put on anger management and parenting classes. Inevitably the parents cannot jump through the hoops that they are given, and then the charities also profit when the children are adopted to people who subscribe to their religious views. </p>

<p>Later, I talked to a DSS attorney about how they took the child from the man based on ADHD, about how many people are labeled with this now, and should they all lose their kids. He told me that if he has his way, he will take them all away, he doesn’t think they should raise kids. I wanted to go home and take a shower after hearing that.</p>

<p>That all said, I do believe that there are people in these organizations that help for the right reasons. But I do not trust the people who run the religious organizations anymore and my view of those charities is permanently tainted. </p>

<p>Another thing to understand is that many people who end up on the streets have justifiable trust issues with the government and these organizations. My 12 year old mother was in foster care because her sister was starved to death and my mother starved as well. After the hospital shaved her head to get rid of lice, they sent her to a home with a locked fridge. One day she sat at the dinner table, and her foster father said “How do you like that dinner? Too bad your sister can’t eat”. As the oldest child, my now 58 year old mother is stunted and traumatized because she still feels responsible that she “didn’t get help” before her sister died. Even worse, that a-hole foster father threatened to grab her boobs when she didn’t behave, and when she was 14, they sent her to work in the fields with migrant workers. 3 days after her high school graduation, they said “Time to go, money runs out”. She begged them to let her stay, she’d get a job, but no dice. After she moved out, they put a new addition on their house with her migrant worker and social services money. And then she met my father…</p>

<p>So children who have been in foster care and have been abused in their foster homes have suffered 3x – once by the failure of their original parents, once by the foster parents who are to rescue them, and again by the DSS office that turns a blind eye. And these people are miraculously expected to “be ok” when they are shoved out the door at 18 when the state money runs out? And they are supposed to trust the government and agencies?</p>

<p>People do not want to accept the abuse that goes on because we all have to live here in this country and depend upon its leaders to make our lives flow. I mean, putting up with our own workplace issues, our home maintenance, and our kids’ tantrums are bad enough. We can’t take on the rest of it. Let the organizations deal with the people who can’t get it together. </p>

<p>And you know what? I’m not saying that people have to see other people’s problems as theirs. think that a little honesty about what really goes on is necessary. This past year, my daughter did a sleep out for the homeless. The kids got nice fridge boxes, blankets, pillows, and they were allowed to come into the school to use the bathroom if they turned in a canned good. Do I really think that they learned anything from that about being homeless? No, I don’t. It’s a nice way to pretend that you are doing something without getting “your hands dirty”. </p>

<p>Real help is doing things like volunteering at a soup kitchen or shelter (although I do think that this should not be done by teens unable to understand the dangers inherent in dealing with these populations). Take under your wing a real person who desperately needs help and who wants to accept it, for example a foster child about to age out who needs someone to be their family. Support expanded programs for foster children aging out of the system. Don’t snicker and make comments about the woman in line with her food stamps. Don’t donate your broken and stained items to charities as a means of telling yourself that you do something. Don’t rent out properties to low income people and populate them with unsafe space heaters and refuse to take care of roaches because “those people are lucky to get what they can”. I could go on, but then again, I probably should just write a book…</p>

<p>I don’t give money, but there are a lot of hungry people out there. If I’m headed into a store and I’m asked for money, I’ll offer to get the person something to eat, and ask what they’d like. I’m always thanked profusely, especially when I come out and actually come through with the food. The requests are always very reasonable. If we’re at a party where there are tons of leftovers that will be trashed (e.g. school parties), I’ll take the leftovers, head to an area where I know I’ll find someone panhandling, and ask them if they’d like some cake or chicken salad or whatever. chow.com recently had a discussion about the etiquette of giving leftovers to panhandlers, little things like cutting of the section of the leftover burrito containing your teethmarks. Not an issue if you’re counting on it for lunch the next day, but something to think about if you get your leftovers doggy-bagged with the intention of seeing if someone is looking for a meal.</p>

<p>Whatapainthisis, thank you for your contribution.</p>

<p>I think that a lot of people adopt a “whistling in the dark” approach to people who are beaten down by adverse circumstances. If they can attribute the cancer to poor diet, it means <em>they</em> won’t get it. If they can attribute the inability to get or keep a decent job to “just not wanting to work,” it means that <em>they</em> will never find themselves un- or under-employed. And so on. If every sling and arrow of fortune can be explained away by some innate weakness of the sufferer, they YOU are safe.</p>

<p>BTW, Barrons, you are correct in saying that “liberals” wanted to close many psychiatric institutions. The problem is, the institutions were supposed to be replaced by group homes and other more humane living situations that would nonetheless enable the former residents of the institutions to get the support and supervision they needed. They weren’t built. Hence the flood of mentally ill people onto the streets of NYC, for example.</p>

<p>Oh, and I once was asked for money by a man immediately after having bought a hot dog from a street vendor. I offered him the hot dog, and he happily accepted it. On the other hand, I’ve been asked for food money by young, fit, and reasonably well-dressed men. I told them to go get lunch at the soup kitchen, which was only a couple of blocks away. They were obviously scammers.</p>

<p>Whatapainisthis-I have been moved by both of your posts. We did toiletry and school supply drives for both Long Beach Rescue Mission and Lydia’s House (the branch of LBRM that helps battered women and children). We didn’t take anything less than brand-new, still in the packaging stuff. </p>

<p>I was lucky enough to be one of the people to help deliver the school supplies to Lydia’s House. The kids were so excited to have new school supplies, and they kept asking us, “I get to keep this?” I’ll never forget their faces lit up at having the stuff that I take for granted every single day.</p>

<p>Since my D went off to college two years ago, I have contemplated becoming a foster “single” parent. I have gone through the training classes and interviews. I indicated that I would like to be placed with a boy of >12 years old because of my work schedule would need the child to be alone after school or be able to go to after school activities on his own. I didn’t think I would be comfortable with a girl for obvious reasons. Nonetheless, I ran into the predictable problem that I was still supsected being a deviant, especially when I indicated that I will like to waive the re-imbursement. </p>

<p>But while in the training classes, I come to realize that many of the potential foster parents are in it for economic reasons. There were questions on clothing allowances, detailed to the point of not only the initial and yearly allowances but to the exact obligation of which clothing items will need to be fulfilled. It was the most disheartening experience for me to sit there thinking of how these foster children would come out of such homes.</p>

<p>I still don’t know whether I could be useful as DSS has yet to place anyone with me.</p>

<p>padad-sounds to me like your heart is definitely in the right place, and I’m sure you would make a wonderful foster parent. :slight_smile: Good luck with whoever they place you with!</p>

<p>padad - what you are seeing is real. The vast majority of foster parents are poor themselves. (I can think of a number of reasons for this. For one, around here, the rich are too busy.) So $14 a day (or whatever the going rate is now) seems like a lot of money to them. Take in a sibling group of four, and suddenly this poor family has nearly $1500 per month coming in. </p>

<p>The flip side is that for the family who isn’t poor, fostering is expensive. We easily spent our $10/day (back then) because we fed and clothed all our children (birth and foster) well, and did things as a family - such as meals out - that easily surpassed the per diem. We live in a rich school system, which translates into lots of “fees” for materials, field trips, etc. There was no money for the time a kid brought the garage door down on top of our car, or the kid who put his fist through the wall, or the girl who dumped the bottle of bleach on the carpet… We seldom went out as a couple, because quality babysitters for that many children were too expensive. We weren’t poor, but we were not wealthy, either. </p>

<p>I got very frustrated with many of the abuses within the system - by birth families who used foster care as “babysitting”, by foster parents who look to profit or disrupt reunification because they want to keep the kid, by caseworkers being greedy or being God (I don’t give things to foster children drives – caseworker kids get first pick!) One family I know requests Little Tykes furniture from Angel Tree for her foster kids; then sells it that summer at garage sales.</p>

<p>It’s great that you don’t need the per diem. I suggest you take it anyway, and bank it. If you have a kid with needs, or you hear of a kid with needs (where I live, braces aren’t covered, for example) you can provide some assistance. Or, as one family I know did, bank it in the child’s name.</p>

<p>There are not enough foster families. There are certainly not enough families to be able to match the child’s own culture, color, religion, neighborhood, etc. Foster parents come to it for a multitude of reasons; some genuinely want to help or give back, some see dollar signs, some have heard this is the best way to get on the short-list for adoption.</p>

<p>As far as being a single dad, you are opening yourself up to allegations of abuse. Kids who don’t want to be in care believe that all they have to do is accuse the foster parents of something and they’ll get to go home. They have no love or attachment, and often have been taught to lie anyway. </p>

<p>When we fostered, we had a family rule that my H was never left alone with a child. With several children, yes - safety in numbers. So you might want to consider taking a sibling group so you’re never alone with one. Where we live, there is some money for working parents for daycare. (Since I didn’t work, we didn’t qualify.) So you may be able to take younger kids. Or you may wish to take older teens. Nobody wants to foster a 17 year old boy. Those are the ones languishing in shelters. Especially if they’re big; worse if they’re big and black.</p>

<p>The reality of this thread is that none of us can fix all of the problems, and it’s easy to get grustrated and give up. What we need to do is look for how we - as individuals - can be part of the solution.</p>

<p>Today it is hard to put people there who should be in a controlled environment. If they go off their meds, as many do, they can be a danger to themselves and others. Think Virginia Tech.</p>

<p>Whatapainthisis: what you posted is similar to what a dear friend who lives in Georgia said about DSS and also the mentally ill. She said terrible things happened under Zell Miller. His cutting off mentally ill patients lead to so many deaths and quitting of the professionals. </p>

<p>She’s pagan and faces discrimination everyday, and fear the DSS. </p>

<p>She’s an Obama supporter and his support of expanding of faith based charities worries her.</p>

<p>munchkin-FBOs are not bad if they run the right way. LBRM is faith-based, but they offer programs where the participants are not required to go to chapel. In the program they do require chapel, the participants enjoy it. But, again, it is not required, and they make it clear up front that chapel is required.</p>

<p>Grace: any organization is not bad when run properly. I don’t really know enough about this subject, only what I learn from my friends, so I’ll try to keep quiet from now on. </p>

<p>Here is what my friend said today about faith based charities</p>

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<p>I learned from her that a pagan soldier that died in Iraq was not allowed to be buried in a military cemetery. Good enough to make the ultimate sacrifice, not good enough to be recognized. But I got off topic, sorry.</p>

<p>drmcb, I would also rather give directly. Not for booze or cigarettes. </p>

<p>In my city, we have the Night Ministry giving out food. I never give</p>

<p>money to people standing in traffic by intersections.</p>

<p>binx, thanks for your long post. You pinpointed many of the issues that the social worker also raised, and I have been told pretty much that I am the last resort on their list. Perhaps, it is a good sign that they have not reached me yet. In the meantime, I just keep busy with other works.</p>

<p>PADad: I tutor at a youth shelter.</p>

<p>There have been a number of occasions in which I had wished that I had been able to take in a certain child. If I had been able to, I think that having an established good reputation at the shelter, and having an established good relationship with a particular child, might have made people willing to look seriously at me as a possible foster parent for that child.</p>