Does rank override GPA?

<p>I'm applying to the ivies and my cumulative GPA is considered mediocre for those schools (3.75 - 3.8) because I've gone to three high schools and 2/3 of those schools were extremely competitive. I'm also a bit concerned about my IB predicted score. I understand that most ivies ask for 6's or 7's (38+ overall) on IB tests. My overall IB predicted score will probably be somewhere between 36 - 38 which is pretty low for the schools I'm applying to.</p>

<p>However, my counselor specifically indicated in his recommendation letter that I am in the top 2 - 5% of my graduating class of 400. Will this rank override my mediocre GPA and low IB score?</p>

<p>Thanks in advance.</p>

<p>It will definitely mitigate your GPA, though I wouldn't say override. It has nothing to do with your IB score.</p>

<p>Depends on the school you apply to.</p>

<p>At Texas public universities, rank matters, but GPA does not. At California public universities, GPA matters, but rank does not. Other schools may be anywhere within the spectrum.</p>

<p>Depends. I'd say to an extent, but override? Probably not.</p>

<p>If, for example, you were ranked number 2 with a 3.7 you'd be in a lot better shape than if you had a 3.7 and were only top 25%. I guess it's more like they can compliment each other?</p>

<p>As other posters have said, they complement each other.</p>

<p>Class rank is considered about the same as GPA and scores (and other things) at NWU. 2009-10</a> First-time, first-year (freshman) admission, Common Data Set - Northwestern University</p>

<p>If you are now in the top 2%-5% with a 3.7 thien I'm assuming that your current school is not the competative one. I could be wrong, but my impression is that schools will look at strength of academic program (challenging schedule) and grades in those classes before rank, as rank is so dependend on who else is there. My D attends a HS that has a magnet gifted program. Rank is calculated on a weighted scale and the kids in that program have almost all classes on 5 point scale. Her weighted GPA is 4.6 and yet she is 23 out of about 380 (around top 8%) That's with full IB and ap classes. I'm pretty confident that she won't be penalized for having a low rank. I would focus on strength of schedule. p.s. How can you project your IB score if you've only taken 2 SL exams so far and still have all you HLs to go?</p>

I understand that most ivies ask for 6's or 7's (38+ overall) on IB tests. My overall IB predicted score will probably be somewhere between 36 - 38 which is pretty low for the schools I'm applying to.


<p>I'm not sure where you got this information, but if you're applying to US schools, your predicted score means very little. Grades, rank, and test scores will have a much greater effect on your chances. (Indeed, the students from my IB program who tended to get into better schools were those who got 5/6's and A's--not 7's and A's--because they spent a significant portion of their time on extracurriculars.) In short, don't sweat it.</p>

<p>To answer your larger question: yes, rank is important. However, whether 2-5% is a "good" rank will depend on the rigor of you school. At my high school, only the top 1-2% tended to be competitive for top schools; at yours, it may be different. Keep everything in context.</p>

<p>I don't think you have what it takes to get into the Ivies. Projected IB scores are only guesses and often are off by a lot. 3.8 GPA is not horrible but it is just out of the Ivy range. You didn't even mention your ACT or SAT scores. </p>

<p>I would go to the colleges you are interested in attending and make sure your GPA and SAT/ACT scores are with in the top part of the middle 50% atleast. It is better to be in the top 25%. You maybe a good candidate for colleges rank between 15 and 50 but even they maybe reaches.</p>

<p>@saintfan: Overall, the school that I am going to right now is not competitive. However, we have a selective IB program of about 130 kids out of 400. The IB students are very competitive and many are aiming for the Ivies. Most of the other students, however, are not. My schedule is the most challenging one that my school offers. I also think that IB predicted scores work differently at different schools... At my school, we don't take any exams at the end of junior year (I did though because I finished Spanish Sl. This is usually not the case with most students) so we send a full diploma predicted to universities. </p>

<p>@glassesarechic: Thanks - I hope they're not worth too much :)</p>

<p>@momof3greatgirls: I wasn't asking for a chance... I was just asking about rank and GPA. I haven't posted any of my other stats because of that. I also disagree - projected IB scores tend to be pretty accurate because IB monitors teachers and schools each year. If they see that a school's predictions are consistently inaccurate, they will take further action.</p>

<p>Our school's IB advisor has said many times at parent meeting that the fact that you are doing the IB diploma and all that goes with it (CAS, extended essay, portfolios, etc) is a boost for admissions. It demonstrates willingness to challenge oneself and succeed in that paper based long format environment, holistic environment. In terms of test scores one is only allowed to take 2 Junior year which are by definition SL. There is no way to predict how you will do in the exams taken next May. Our advisor makes this clear to parents that colleges will have no idea how you've actually done on most of the exams. Portfolio grades and IB mandated papers (E.g. world lit 1 and 2) are part of your class grade and will be reflected there. Those portfolios, papers and labs are sent away for scoring and are included with your exam in your overall IB score for that class, but you could still bomb the exam or a paper later in the year. You will not get any IB scores until next July - way too late for admissions unless you are taking a gap year. Admissions reps will see how you've done in your IB and/or AP classes and assess accordingly. On rank, again, Your counselor will put your performance and school history in the context of the larger group when he/she writes your letter.</p>

<p>The valedictorian at my dd school was a full IB diplomia and AP scholar with distinction, high SATs and 4.0 UWGPA and didn't get into the top schools she really wanted. She did get into Penn and had a 43 for her IB score. My dd had a GPA of 3.9 & 4.50 and ranked top 1% with IB diploma and AP classes and would never dream of going to an Ivy. Just saying you need to be reasonable with your money when you apply. Weigh you options carefully.</p>

<p>Grades are always relative to the school you attend, to the courses that the school offers, the courses you choose to take, and the school's grading approach. Keep in mind that many "very" academic high schools (and that includes most of the private schools) don't rank. My guess is that 1/3 to 1/2 of the students accepted to the most selective colleges come from schools that don't rank.</p>

<p>College admission committees of the most selective colleges are pretty savvy about many of the high schools in the United States. They have regional specialists who understand the grading policies at the schools, and the "signature" of the student who's likely to be a strong applicant.</p>

<p>So there is really no answer to your question. We on CC don't have enough context to answer it.</p>

<p>And tune out the "negative" and discouraging advise that you're receiving from some of the posters. My sense is that they can't possibly know enough about your particular situation to provide their comments. Trust your guidance counselor. From the little that you've written he appears to know what is doing. That he regards you highly is a strong positive sign for you.</p>