<p>And many of us will respond differently if we know you are a student, because we understand one of the reasons to go to college is to learn how to better clarify and express viewpoints. :)</p>
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That doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>Actually, it does matter to the members of the community.</p>
<p>“What do you want clarification on, emily?”</p>
<p>You said: "“My viewpoints are somewhat traditional and I consider a kid born out wedlock illegitimate.”</p>
<p>I asked why. I also asked you what makes a child born to parents who are not married not legitimate?</p>
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<p>[Growing</a> Support for Gay Marriage: Changed Minds and Changing Demographics | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press](<a href=“http://www.people-press.org/2013/03/20/growing-support-for-gay-marriage-changed-minds-and-changing-demographics/]Growing”>Growing Support for Gay Marriage: Changed Minds and Changing Demographics | Pew Research Center)</p>
<p>If I understand this correctly, at most colleges, students who don’t support gay marriage will be a minority.</p>
<p>zoo, I’m not sure where this is coming from or where you’re getting at. </p>
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To which I said:
So what does this:
have to do with the above?</p>
<p>emily, this is all from a misunderstanding (which I have said multiple times). I thought poster meant all children are legitimate. At the time I didn’t know they meant legally, but I thought, “No, not all children are legitimate. A child born out of wedlock would be considered illegitimate, by definition.” </p>
<p>I’m looking at the definition. If someone asked me what an illegitimate child is, I would say a child born out of wedlock. Why? Because that’s the definition.</p>
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I previously told you the answer is in the last sentence of the exact paragraph you keep quoting from me.</p>
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<p>During the 2012 election cycle I saw a pretty good analysis predicting when states would flip and allow gay marriage … the analysis was driven by demographics. Even in them most conservative states among younger adults support for gay marriage is the majority … in essence it’s only a matter of time as older voters age out.</p>
<p>I live in Mass and we’ve had legal gay marriage for almost a decade and it hasn’t affected my life a bit … other than being happy for a few friends who could finally get married. All the predictions of the sky falling do not seem to have been realized the places that do have gay marriage.</p>
<p>Clarify that they aren’t a parent. When joining a community made up of a particular demographic, it is polite to mention that you aren’t that. Ask romanigypsyeyes and hisgracefillsme to explain.</p>
<p>Do you want me to put a disclaimer at the top of every post I post in here? I’ve said in other threads that I’m a student. I’ve even asked questions on this forum. I’m sorry that you didn’t see them to know that I’m not a parent.</p>
<p>So, Niquii77, legal term aside, you prefer to use an antiquated term to saddle children born outside of “traditional” marriage (although that definition is changing) with because you think that’s ok? Because why? What good does it do? Who benefits and who needs to know, exactly?</p>
<p>Do you also hold that adopted children born out of wedlock are still illegitimate? How about those born in gay partnerships in states where gay marriages are not yet legal? </p>
<p>How does this matter to YOU? What do YOU get out of it other than a feeling of superiority? </p>
<p>Ah, to be 17 and know it all…</p>
<p>niquii: since I am old enough to be losing a lot of short term memory, and may not be able to recall a post where you told us you were a student, it would really be helpful to me if you did put that somewhere in your posts. Thank you.</p>
<p>btw - I wasn’t fussing, just confused, a state some of us enter with increasing regularity as we age.</p>
<p>“I’m looking at the definition. If someone asked me what an illegitimate child is, I would say a child born out of wedlock. Why? Because that’s the definition.”</p>
<p>Yes, I read this from you before but that you said “my viewpoints are somewhat traditional on this,” leads me to believe it’s not solely because of the definition.</p>
<p>Lots of people don’t like the SC’s decision on moral grounds. I ask them "Would you support overturning a law which said “Marriage is defined as the union of two persons of the SAME gender?” The answer is invariably “Well of course!”</p>
<p>I guess that’s one reason we have the SC.</p>
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<p>Of course, we are not dealing with just “wishes” as if people wanted ponies, but the majority rule is limited to protect minority and individual rights. Things are working out exactly as they should. The Constitution, as interpreted and enforced by the judiciary, protects the minority from the tyranny of the majority.</p>
<h1>268 That is the dictionary definition. The more interesting thing to me to think about is the whole concept of marriage and legitimacy as a patriarchal system to control women and property rights. It really doesn’t make sense in present day life for many of us. Making marriage available to same sex couples takes a little of the patriarchal sting out of it for me.</h1>
<p>How will heterosexuals be damaged at all by allowing gay couples to marry? They have nothing to lose, and homosexual couples and their children have everything to gain.</p>
<p>As I stated a few days ago, I am very disappointed that the SC did not rule that a marriage in performed in one state must be legally accepted in all states. This seems to be done in every case ( when states vary in requirements for age, waiting period, first cousins, etc) except same sex marriages.</p>
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First, quit the sass. Second, read the original conversation. </p>
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No, I do not use the word. Unless you’re talking about GoT, then yes, I do use the word. </p>
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I don’t know. romani asked me a simar question and I could only ask her the same question. </p>
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Quote where I said I feel superior to kids who are born out of wedlock. Quote my feelings on a “illegitimate” child. You will find one. You will not find the other. </p>
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That is ridiculous and I’m not doing that. </p>
<p>Especially when I know I’ll get posts like these:
whenever I state a belief or stance on a topic. </p>
<p>Originally, I had my college and year of graduation in my location. Perhaps that would make you guys happier, but I put in my location what I want. </p>
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It is no solely because of the definition. I simply believe that you should be married to have kids. I don’t force that belief on anyone. I don’t. I have friends who have had kids and I support them just as much as a friend who found out that she was pregnant and got married. I feel that that belief effects what I consider the definition of “legitimate”.</p>
<p>You are in high school and you have friends with children?
In what circumstance would someone ask you if your child was illegitimate?</p>
<p>“It is no solely because of the definition. I simply believe that you should be married to have kids.”</p>
<p>Thank you for answering. I don’t understand why simply believing people should be married before they have children would make those children born to unwed parents illegitimate, but you are certainly free to think that.</p>
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Heterosexuals really won’t be effected by this. But I can think of one thing: There’ll be an even longer list of reservations for top wedding venues. 
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No and yes.</p>
<p>Two dance team members got pregnant. Both unmarried. A coworker had his baby seven months ago. They are engaged. A former classmate is pregnant, she got married during the school year. Teen pregnancies are not so uncommon. </p>
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Thank you.</p>