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<p>Well, my dictionary also contains a definition of the word “b**tard.” It means a child born out of wedlock. But I would never use that word to describe someone’s birth status, because it’s rude, insulting, and demeaning, and no one deserves to be treated that way.</p>
<p>I feel the same way about “illegitimate.”</p>
<p>@bclintonk They could be looked at as synonyms. </p>
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<p>Again, I ask, if a gay couple who CANNOT get married has children, do you consider THEM “illegitimate”? And AGAIN, what if an adopted child has unknown origins? Are THEY “illegitimate”? </p>
<p>If you would never actually call a child such, why on earth does it matter to you what you call them, if not to place them if only in your mind, on a lesser status than “legitimate” children. It’s a slur, plain and simple. The CHILD had no say in how he or she came about.</p>
<p>My gay friend’s child is every bit as “legitimate” as my own children born in a “legitimate” marriage are. Another friend’s “legitimate” adopted kids are just as “legitimate” as mine. You’re assigning classifications that do not exist in the real world for legal or any other purposes.</p>
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What does it matter to you?</p>
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Are you asking for my personal opinion? </p>
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I am? I didn’t write those definitions. I didn’t write up past laws. </p>
<p>Not once have I stated what I, personally, consider as a legitimate or illegitimate child.</p>
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<p>You know how black people have n word privileges? I’m pretty sure children conceived out of wedlock have i word privileges (and b word privileges). I have a friend who calls herself both of these things because she was born out of wedlock or whatever. Would I ever call her these things? No, that would be stupid and pointless. I think your problem with the word stems from the fact that it has negative connotations.</p>
<p>^ No. We don’t.</p>
<p>romani, this is just like how some black people don’t use the n word. Some kids born out of wedlock don’t use the i or b word. </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing, repede, I’ve never had a friend that was born out of wedlock refer to herself as that.</p>
<p>"Not once have I stated what I, personally, consider as a legitimate or illegitimate child. "</p>
<p>IIRC, you said that you agree with the dictionary definition, that a child is “illegitimate” if born outside of marriage. That means, to me, that you did indeed state what YOU personally, consider illegitimate. And as far as I’m concerned, if you’re saying it in your head, you are devaluing certain children, and that matters to me.</p>
<p>Repede, my H and daughter are black. They do not, ever, use the N word, and they speak up to people who do. And I’ve never in my life heard a person born outside of a marriage call him or herself any negative word associated with it.</p>
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<p>And I know black people that use the N word. What’s your point?</p>
<p>Your personal anecdote isn’t more legitimate (see what I did there?) than mine just because you’re older than I am.</p>
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I’m pretty sure I said a illegitimate child is a child born out of wedlock by definition. Quote me on that and I’ll backtrack and explain myself. </p>
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But how would you know, though?</p>
<p>sseamom, I don’t you to be in more of a tizzy than you already are. I don’t think in terms of legitmacy. A child is a child is a child.</p>
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I don’t necessarily think that considering a child born out of wedlock to be “illegitimate” is devaluing the child. In the same way that considering a child who lacks vision to be blind isn’t devaluing the child. It is simply a definition. It is what it is.</p>
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sseemom made no reference to age…</p>
<p>Disclaimer: As this does seem important to some, I should mention that I am a student and NOT a parent</p>
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Not in that post, but sseammom has made a reference to age in multiple threads. </p>
<p>Disclaimer: I am but a child. A young, impressionable child with no real world experience.</p>
<p>Sexual laws should not be permitted. It is on the basis of a universal moral standard. Such a standard should not have to be explained. It is privacy, and what people do with there bodies that is not aligned with the universal standard should not be explained, televised, or spoken of.
Keep your private lives to yourselves. </p>
<p>What would happen if I was" in love" with an animal? Would we televise it? Would we say it was ok to love what and who I wanted to love? Would we make laws for that? Would you protest for me? Would you create threads like this for me?</p>
<p>No? Why. I know why. Because it is not the standard.</p>
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This sounds ideal, but what happens when people start sharing the details of their private lives publicly? At that point, it is affecting others.</p>
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Laws are in place to protect the interest of all parties involved. </p>
<p>To tie this back into the actual thread, the SC ruled DOMA unconstitutional to protect all parties involved. DOMA wasn’t protecting any parties. It was constricting them.</p>
<p>I don’t understand what you are saying. You are right, and that is why I just stated to keep privacy private. Things such as homosexuality should be private, then people wouldn’t have to tear nations a part trying to make laws for it. All we can do is pray, this isn’t how America should be. I wonder what other countries are thinking.</p>
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I agree. But without laws, what is keeping people from making it public?</p>
<p>It can’t be private when marriage is a public institution. </p>
<p>How is our nation being torn apart? A nation were its fellow citizens are hiding in the shadows doesn’t sound like it was together in the first place.</p>
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<p>Everyone likes to think they’re progressive until they see someone fighting for rights like this.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I am but a stupid 17 year old child. Please enlighten me parents of CC with your millennia of knowledge!</p>
<p>I’m sorry, Our fellow citizens wouldn’t have to hide if they lived there lives based on what this country was founded on…which is what- would anyone like to guess?</p>