The state attorney probably has a good understanding of the right thing.
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I wasn’t referring to the state attorney. I was writing about the police officers who pulled her over.
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Also does not mean they did the wrong thing.
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What would that “objective” proof look like? You think the cop will say, “I stopped you because you are black.”
Are you denying that LEOs tend to stop black drivers based on less evidence?
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Most cities and towns publish this data. You can check for wherever you are interested. I think the state attorney knows this.
I’ve checked the stats. LEOs tend to stop black drivers based on less evidence. This is true whether it is prosecutable or not.
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Care to share that city’s report?
I didn’t say anything about any particular city.
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No clue, but some are quick to accuse officers without proof.
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Then your comment is baseless. The question is, in this particular city, are LEOs discriminating on the basis of race in traffic stops. Quite an assumption you made there with no evidence.
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What’s really interesting about the Stanford study is how many preconceived notions are not born out by data, and that there are odd state differences- Arizona searches lots of people in traffic stops, California almost no one. Mass and Fl have about the same level of searches of African-American drivers. Hispanics are less likely to be even stopped at all.
My comment was factual. LEOs tend to stop black drivers based on less evidence. I made no assumption about anything. Please quit trying to reframe my posts to suit your purposes.
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The issue is that you tend to extrapolate this theory across what appears to be an inordinately large portion of the law enforcement community.
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Yes, she parses her words very carefully because of her position and occupation. It’s clear to me she rejects to pretext the cops used to stop her, but recognizes that the pretext is legally acceptable. That’s really all she’s saying.
She says the registration was legal, and the tint was legal, which is her way of rejecting the cop’s pretext without saying he’s lying. In follow up interviews she says she also wants to discuss the stop with the police chief, which there’d be no reason for if she was ok with the stop.
All DWB stops have some sort of legally acceptable pretext. It’s only when you look at the aggregate data that you see a pattern of abuse.
Here’s another fun one - this guy was stopped by police 288 times at work over a 5 year period. The courts and state attorney had no problem with it. Try telling him that he should happily talk to the cops.
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The profession she wielded to get out of a traffic stop?
We agree, it was legal.
I am completely sure her registration was legal. We have a good friend that is a Circuit Court Judge. She has a license plate like Ms. Ayala’s. If you run her plate it doesn’t come back to anyone. It’s a security measure afforded her because of the types of defendants she is involved with. I’m sure that officer had never run a tag that didn’t come back to someone. That would set off an alarm bell.
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I didn’t extrapolate anything. I asked a question and stated a fact.
As for what the “issue is,” I guess that depends on whether one is concerned with the perspective and experiences of those being pulled over.
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No qualifier here suggests all LEOs.
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But is there “objective proof” that any single interaction was racial profiling?
That’s the game being played here.
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I was stopped 16 times in a row at airports after 9/11. Must be" objective proof" that TSA hates blondes.
Or maybe I just look shady.
I am talking about comprehensive evidence indicating that LEOs tend to treat people differently based on their race. From another study . . .
Using footage from body-worn cameras, we analyze the respectfulness of police officer language toward white and black community members during routine traffic stops. We develop computational linguistic methods that extract levels of respect automatically from transcripts, informed by a thin-slicing study of participant ratings of officer utterances. We find that officers speak with consistently less respect toward black versus white community members, even after controlling for the race of the officer, the severity of the infraction, the location of the stop, and the outcome of the stop. Such disparities in common, everyday interactions between police and the communities they serve have important implications for procedural justice and the building of police–community trust.
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