<p>But the punishment that the RM has faced for pot? Loss of his scholarship? So we are talking what? A 100K (4 years) for pot? I dont think that is right. Full disclosure – my kid will be a full pay kid.</p>
<p>Pot has been decriminalized in my state (possession of small amounts is now a civil offense with a $100 fine they can’t make you pay), but that doesn’t mean the school can’t prohibit you from having it on school property, or kick you out if you are caught.</p>
<p>At least you won’t get arrested though.</p>
<p>Of course, the school has the legal right to do this.</p>
<p>But I would suggest, in the Jesuit tradition, that sometimes we must do more than the law requires, and less than the law allows.</p>
<p>notrichenogh, read the rest of what you linked - the second case where the court ruled there was no 4th Amend violation, is perhaps closer to this situation: student who signed similar housing agreement at private college, campus police who accompanied college personnel to do search of room of said student who was already caught violating school policy.</p>
<p>I suppose if you do not agree with the consequences for breaking a school’s rules, then you really should not choose to attend the school in the first place.</p>
<p>I suppose if you do not agree with the consequences for breaking a school’s rules, then you really should not choose to attend the school in the first place.</p>
<p>Thats really not possible. Most schools have the same policy. Hmm antitrust?</p>
<p>Well, we don’t really even know what the RM’s history with the school has been. Has he been on probation of some variety? Is this a second or third strike? They get to make the rules on their campus. Sometimes this can work in a student’s favor…ie, they may choose not to involve law enforcement in the case of the ID…Sometimes not…</p>
<p>It’s kind of like if your kid goes to spend the night at a friends’ house, to some extent. </p>
<p>Bottom line, read the housing contract, the behavioral contract, and have your kid do the same. I know I was very, very clear with D that the dorm is not private property BECAUSE of the housing contract. I don’t agree with a lot of it, but there’s not much you can do except move out.</p>
<p>Poet, you raise excellent points. They may have thought that RM was dealing. Smoking in open is kinda strange to me.</p>
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<li><p>Can we please not highjack this into a pot legalization thread. This has nothing to do with the OPs questions.</p></li>
<li><p>Regarding the ‘severity’ of any punishments (for pot or otherwise) it’s a private institution and they can do as they please. When one decides to voluntarily attend school there one agrees to abide by their policies… and the potential consequences of violating those policies, whatever those may be.</p></li>
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<p>When D1 was visiting schools, during Q&A I was always one of those parents who asked about the school’s policy about alcohol. I asked how school dealt with alcohol and drugs. They always gave me some lame school policy. I aske them, “Would my kid go to jail if caught with alcoho? What’s school’s gown and town relationship.” Any scholl that said they had zero tolerance was off D1’a list. I told D1 that she could do whatever she wanted, but just don’t expect me to go the police station to bail her out.</p>
<p>Ditto what rocketman said: </p>
<p>“it’s a private institution and they can do what they please. When one decides to voluntarily attend school there one agrees to abide by their policies…and the potential consequences of violating…”</p>
<p>I suspect the handbook will reveal the consequences for both the pot and the fake ID. The school will show by enrolling, student agreed to all the policies in the handbook.</p>
<p>Note to new students: read the handbook and know what the risks are of your behavior. If you are going to break the regulations, be ready to accept the punishment.</p>
<p>I can’t believe the RM was so stupid as to smoke pot out in the open. I guess he bought into the idea that college campuses are safe havens for “youthful exuberance” and “harmless experimentation.” That was largely true back in the 60’s and 70’s, but today…? It’s so sad how something like this can alter the course of a young life. I actually do feel sorry for the RM of the OP’s S. I really wish we could save young people from themselves.</p>
<p>My fingers are crossed for your S, Coleytown. Tell him to stay mum until you can obtain legal advice. Good luck.</p>
<p>Poetsheart! Hi. They are going to start mistaking us for one another again. :D</p>
<p>Yeah, they just might—LOL!</p>
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<p>Depending on the circumstances, this may or may not be true. At my university, the DPS officers were actually considered to be state police officers. They had the same power as a highway patrolman; their primary jurisdiction just consisted of a college campus. They routinely provided back-up to the city police and in return, the city police provided back-up oncampus as needed. I believe if an arrest was made, they would normally call the city police after the individual was detained and let the city police handle transporting to the jail…</p>
<p>I’m curious. What dorm was this?</p>
<p>Unless this is a state school (which I imagine was the case in hops_scout’s example above), the campus “police” are nothing more than private security guards, and as such are not bound by the search and seizure rules, which apply to government action only, so the talk of warrants is misplaced. The housing contract and code of conduct will control here. The language cited by OP seems very broad to me, and I think the campus officials were well within their rights. OP’s son would not have been able to prevent them from entering the room, so it is irrelevant that he allowed them in. If I had to hazard a guess, I would think that OP’s son will be put on some kind of probation, and it’s unlikely his possession of a fake ID will be brought to the attention of the authorities. But this is certainly a cautionary tale for all our kids.</p>
<p>if I have the right school, this is what the code of conduct says about false id’s:</p>
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<p>I know a lot of us had fake id when we were teens, and I know I didn’t understand how big of a deal it has become until my child’s friend was busted for having a fake ID last year. In most cases our fake id was made by a friend of a friend and wouldn’t stand up to serious inspection. Now kids are spending $50 on fake id made in Asia that is indistinguishable from a real license - the holograms are perfect, it scans correctly, etc. So, whatever your thoughts about the drinking age, it’s a good idea to warn your kids against even possessing a fake id. It’s just not worth the risk anymore…</p>
<p>I think the school can search, and impose its own sanctions, I do not think the state can do anything with the handed over ID without a warrant.</p>
<p>Yes, the college put the 2 boys together, they’re from different states.</p>
<p>The ID had sons photo and real name on it, only the DOB and state were different.</p>
<p>BTW, they completely ransacked the room. S said they flipped mattresses, pulled the sheets off, went through every pocket and even searched through their food. He said he felt like they were investigating a murder - I’m trying not to get angry.</p>