Wow. What a deliberate misreading. That editorial is … Hysterical, in a hysteria kind of way.
Are you saying I’m hysterical or the editorial is? I was mainly trying to find the quote from the representative. I’m not saying I agree with the whole editorial.
See posts #26 and #38 and many news reports that include some statement that in France Muslims live in poverty and have high rates of unemployment. These reports implicitly link this to the amount of terrorism in France. Most Muslims in France are likely much better off than they would be in their native countries or they would have gone back.
Martin Luther King Jr. faced far more serious discrimination/racism than Muslims in France, yet I don’t recall him engaging in mass murder. Many of the victims in France were children, women and the elderly. There’s no excuse in the world for what the Nice terrorist did.
Well said!
Please allow me to add a small phrase to this to give an even larger perspective:
“Martin Luther King Jr. faced far more serious discrimination/racism than Muslims in France, yet I don’t recall him or any of his followers even if they were angry and carried internal violent rage from overt racism engaging in mass murder.”
Thus, this meme that these terrorists are just angry, violent people is plain hogwash.
And remember that meme from Orlando that the Islamic terrorist was a self-hating closet gay person - well, the FBI threw water all over that because it found no evidence Mateen targeted the Pulse nightclub because it was a gay club. There is no evidence that he even led a gay secret lifestyle, but it did find he was cheating on his wife with another women.
Imagine the number of people who denied reality when it was staring them in the face, especially since Mateen told them exactly what he was doing and who inspired him.
Same denial going on now with Nice and expect it in the next attack as well, regardless of what the terrorists says with it their own mouths. People find it tough to give up their “false realities.”
Also, if discrimination is the problem, how exactly is running over random people with trucks supposed to help? Or shooting, bombing, etc. It’s not going to raise sympathy, only anger.
The “lone wolf, mentally ill non-Muslim” propaganda line is unraveling quickly. SIX people have been arrested in France in connection with the Nice truck attack:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/europe/france-attack-on-nice-arrests/index.html
And at least one of those was the estranged wife who was arrested “without charge.” We have no idea what the others were arrested for.
Sorry, I’m still not buying that this was ISIS or militant Islamic terrorism until there is concrete proof.
I am curious what kind of concrete proof you are waiting for, romanigypsyeyes?
I think it is quite possible that the attack may not have been ISIS-directed nor ISIS-planned, but they certainly claimed it in the aftermath.
It is pretty clear to me that this was a case of terrorism.
I can understand that you don’t want to have it labeled “Islamic terrorism.” I would find the label “Christian terrorism” to be repugnant, because terrorism is contrary to the foundations of Christianity. However, I acknowledge that there have been people who considered themselves Christian and committed terrorist acts.
Not to make light of the tragic situation, but when an act of terrorism is committed by a person named “Mohamed,” Bayesian inference crops up.
Not sure why CNN said they were arrested. The French term distinguished between arrested and heard as a person of interest. People have been either ‘entendu’ or ‘interpele’. They’re likely to be held a while before arrests are made. The police is very clear that they’re trying to create a profile of the killer.
Absolutely everything I’ve heard now (and lci is on when f2 isn’t) indicates that no one identified him as Muslim. (got publicly drunk during Ramadan, never went to a mosque, etc.) so they’re trying to figure out his profile, motives, and accomplices. That no one identified him as Muslim doesn’t mean he didn’t see mass murder as a way to fame, or redemption, or
Seven people are being held as of now.
An expert stated "At this point we’re HOPING he’s linked to Daesh. Because if he’s not, it’s even scarier. "
85 people still in the hospital, 29 in intensive care including one child.
“never went to a mosque”
You don’t know that, and neither does anybody in the media or law enforcement at this time. Several of the early reports after Orlando made the same inaccurate claims - that Mateen was irreligious and didn’t attend mosque, but it turned out he was a frequent attendee at mosque and prayed to Allah regularly.
3 people have been transferred to the Terrorism unit in Levallois near Paris.
An Albanian couple is being held for selling the gun.
The ex wife has been released without charges of any kind.
I have just received a call that the only son of one of our friends was killed in this attack. A terrible tragedy, incredible young man.
There was a group of about 80 college students from UC Berkeley in Nice attending a conference. They were out on the promenade celebrating Bastille Day. This young man was the fatality in the group but many of the students were injured. His parents started frantically calling his cell as soon as they heard about the attack…no answer. The family had an uncle living in Italy who drove straight to Nice and tried going to every clinic and hospital looking for their son.
Parents both flew to Nice within 2 days. When they got off the airplane they were met by American Consulate and, for some reason, Italian Consulate. Authorities couldn’t identify their son any earlier because his body was so mangled. Required DNA testing (although I don’t know what they compared to, maybe a comb or something)
Hug each of your kids. This is just so random and horrible
I’m so sorry, @coralbrook .
So sorry, coralbrook.
SMH…
I don’t know why but I just remembered the Charles Bronson movie Telefon. It feels like the fiction depicted in the movie has come to reality. HIS-way-or-no-way ideology making brain-washed people to commit horrendous acts. Instead of telephone we now have internet and instead of Robert Frost’s we have verses of different kind.
Speaking of Robert Frost, I wonder how many in France are thinking something along the lines of, “Good fences make good neighbors.”
CBS News: Evidence Shows Meticulously Planned Nice Attack, French TV station is reporting that shortly before the attack Bouhlel sent a text stating “Bring More Weapons…” to a man who is now under arrest.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/evidence-shows-meticulously-planned-nice-attack/
Los Angeles Times: “Investigators examining the records of Bouhlel’s cellphone, which was found in the cabin of the truck he was driving, have found evidence that he may have had contact to known Islamic radicals in his neighborhood in Nice. According to French TV station BMF, they also found a cryptic text message sent just minutes before he drove the truck into the crowd that read, “Bring more weapons, bring five of them to C.””
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-nice-attack-20160717-snap-story.html