Are there truly no conservatives/Republicans that have concerns about this? I hope that isn’t the case. I really hope that we haven’t got to such a point where everything is “us/them” no matter how seemingly universal the issue is.
That does seem true. Only explanation I can offer for the bizarre Palin comments defending the Duggars and bashing Lena Dunham.
In the ‘19 Excuses and Counting’ article, according to Jim-Bob:
*This was like touching over the clothes. There were a couple instances where he touched someone under the clothes, but for like a few seconds. *
“Yup, it’s mirror image of those crying…it was on Faux news…!!!”
Well there was that study showing that people who watch Fox News are more ignorant than those who don’t watch any news at all…
Some media outlets certainly are liberal, like slate and msnbc. But personally I think most major outlets are pretty balanced. Conservatives vehemently disagree.
Finally watched it. Seemed to me that the girls had been prompted and rehearsed - which of course,would be the case (not being sarcastic - of course anyone doing a major media interview will be prepped). Jessa as in real life seemed the most verbal and able to handle her emotions or not let emotion enter the interview.
I still don’t get the inconsistencies. The girls say they were shocked when their parents told them what Josh had done because they didn’t even realized it happened. But then they told their WHOLE story to the professional counselors - WHOSE whole story? They didn’t have their own, just what their parents told them!
At this point, not sure what else can be done except TLC putting the chop on the show. Which I am starting to feel they won’t - they will move forward with the Jessa/Jill show (yawn). JB can sue and that business will be all over the news I suppose. And Josh? How long will he be in seclusion? How will he emerge? When?
Imo, Fox News isn’t news. It’s an entertainment/PR channel.
I just read the 19 Excuse and Counting. I don’t believe a word of it. I believe one of the girls told the parents.
I have no life, so I reread the police report, and even took notes. Here’s what it says:
Victim 1: Was told by her parents that Josh had touched her while she slept.
Victim 2: Josh scratched her back over her clothes, and then scratched her back under her clothes. (Page 20)
Victim 3: Josh pulled up her dress and pulled down her pants and touched her there. (Page 22)
Victim 4: In the laundry room, Josh picked the girl up and stuck his hand under her dress. She still (as of 2006) does not totally trust Josh, although she feels safe in the house. (Page 23)
Victim 5: The police asked for the names of the elders in the Church with whom Jim Bob discussed the situation. She said she “did not want to tell and said that she needed to ask [her] father.” (Page 28)
Michelle said (Page 30) that the place Josh went to is “not really a training center” and that the fellow is not a certified counselor; he’s “a guy they know in Little Rock that is remodeling a building.”
On page 32, an attorney told the police that, although Jim Bob gave the police his name as Josh’s attorney, he is not Josh’s attorney of record; that he provided the family with another attorney’s name; and that that attorney has decided not to be the attorney of record either. Josh did not present himself for an interview at that time.
So yeah, over the clothes – and under the clothes. And while asleep – and while awake.
@ anomander- That is what groups like factfinder.org and others have found out,that those whose primary news sources is Fox News are less knowledgeable about what is going on then people who say they aren’t even interested in news at all, don’t watch anything or read papers, etc. Over the years, those whose primary news source is Fox News have held onto things like Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11, Iraq had WMD’s, Obama is not a citizen, and other such things, long after the large majority of people in the country realized all of those were ludicrous. BTW it isn’t just Fox News, CNN, seeing their success, decided to follow the trend and what passes for news on there these days is not CNN 25 years ago.
People claim Fox News is conservative, but it isn’t conservative, it is the mouthpiece of what passes for conservative these days, the extreme social positions, the extreme political views, you name it. Conservative news sources are generally as outraged as anyone else, it is only news sites that support the religious right/GOP alliance that are supporting them, since of course the Duggars are “one of them”. I’ll have to see if The Economist covers any of this idiocy, they aren’t exactly liberal, and they will have fun skewering those defending the Duggars or the idea that somehow they are worth defending.
Steer clear of politics.
@madison85 I laughed out loud when I read that article, where they said the Duggars said “sorry” twice in the whole interview: “when Josh left the house they told their kids he had “done some very bad things and he’s, he’s sorry.” The second time was when Fox replayed the clip.”
Please be careful, musicprnt; I think this has been a very helpful thread and I’d hate to see it get locked! Anyway, I think you’d be surprised at how many people who identify as conservatives – and perhaps even watch Fox News sometimes; horrors! – aren’t buying what the Duggars are selling. Look what happened on Gov. Huckabee’s own Facebook page when he defended the Duggars: the condemnation was almost universal, and he’s been remarkably silent since. Some issues transcend political divisions, or ought to, except perhaps at the extreme ends of the political spectrum. For much the same reason, it doesn’t bother me at all that Ms. Jenner is a Republican, given that she’s in favor of rights for trans people and clearly wants to help them.
I don’t believe it either. That was not how it was originally reported and it does not make sense. So he keeps doing the same thing over and over and then he self-reports to the parents each time?? That just does not align with what I know of human nature. I think it is more likely that each of the 3 times he was confronted by the parents, he readily admitted it.
I would agree - why would he report something that he believed only HE really knew about (since the girls were “asleep” at the time)? Other than that possibly the totally restrictive, you can’t even hold hands, God is watching your every move, rules of the household had so drilled into them that a sin like this puts you on a fast track to Hades that it was causing him inner terrors?
I am also wondering about the contention that the girls were asleep. How does he know that? Maybe they froze in terror and pretended to be asleep. And touching or fondling someone in their sleep would tend to wake someone up. No?
Interesting article from yesterday about where Josh was sent and the “counseling” he received while there:
http://gawker.com/the-truth-about-josh-duggars-sham-cult-center-counseli-1709335574
I wake up if my husband turns his head in his sleep. No way I’d sleep through molestation, though some people are heavy sleepers. I am not buying this, though. No way ALL of his victims slept through this.
This is a quote from Josh on their website:
Wonder if the molestation of his sisters is what he is referencing?
^So I did bad things, tearfully confessed to my parents, felt oh-so-better, and then proceeded to do them again. Why not? The consequences apparently amounted to squat.
More thoughts about this after reading more stories about the girls. So I think it is pretty clear that Jana was not involved in this. Yet, Jana (often called Cinderella) is the one who has expressed a wish to go away to college. Is it possible she has survivor’s guilt, and just wants to get away from it all for a while? Of the five oldest daughters in the family, she was the only one he didn’t molest.
@teriwtt, I think that might be reading into the situation. We have no reason to believe that occurred.