Duke LAX case discussion continued.....;)

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Yes, but that’s not the type of thing that court-appointed attorneys or public defenders typically have the time to do for their indigent clients given their caseloads and rate of pay. When evidence is buried that way, it is far more common for it to be missed. </p>

<p>Which is why an attorney like Nifong can get in the habit of dealing with discovery that way. One thing I recall is that with each successive batch of documents produced in discovery, Nifong also included photocopies of hundreds of pages of documents that had already been produced - the tactic of burying the new stuff among the old is an old one, and done as a way to maintain cover while at the same time hoping to avoid disclosure. It would be easy for a less diligent attorney to miss the significance of a particular document. </p>

<p>Obviously it is stupid for an attorney to assume that will work when going up against well-funded private counsel – but I think that’s just a matter of hubris fueled by the habits of the past. I used to see it all the time in my private practice-- prosecutors who simply weren’t prepared for a lawyer who was actually putting up a fight, since they were so used to the machinery of a system where most cases ended in negotiated pleas and very little independent investigation and research was undertaken by overworked & underfunded defense counsel.</p>

<p>Fascinating blog post by Jim Cooney</p>

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<p>Calmom - you’re right - I’m looking at this from the perspective of a civil litigator, where data dumps are the order of the day. My clients alway argue to hold stuff back, to interpret document production demands restrictively - and I always argue for over-inclusion, because you’re right - many lawyers won’t bother to go through the boxes of documents with a fine tooth comb. Hey - it’s not unethical to give them every single document that could conceivably be included in their vague and elastic category descriptions, is it? And I never complain if anyone does it for (to?) me, because I will look at all the documents, and often as not, find something helpful there. That may have been Nifong’s reasoning in the past. But I can’t see that being an issue here. By July it was clear that the defense would leave no stone unturned. I doubt he thought that the evidence would not come up at trial. </p>

<p>I think Latetoschool has pretty much hit it on the head. Nifong never thought, “Gee, I think I’ll frame some Duke students today!” - he just sort of slid into the case, a step at a time. The comparison to the white-collar criminal is apt, I think.</p>

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That’s why I think it’s hubris resulting from bad habits formed over time. Unfortunately, in many prosecutor’s offices, the lawyers learn over time that they can get away with shoddy work, so they fall into some very bad habits and start to underestimate their opposition. Keep in mind that they do not have much experience at all with a team of high powered lawyers representing clients against a false accusation – it is far more typical for evidence that shows up in discovery to be the sort of thing that cuts both ways in a criminal case.</p>

<p>In the discussion about Nifong and how he should be judged, there seems to be little dispute about what he did. Instead, as is often the case in the law, the disputed issues concern his state of mind when he acted.</p>

<p>Did Nifong, as some posters have suggested, intentionally frame three innocent young men because, for political or other reasons, it appeared to be in his self-interest to do so? Or did he, as latetoschool and kluge have suggested, act not with the intent to frame innocent young men, but with some other state of mind? </p>

<p>If you accept latetoschool and kluge’s approach, that then leads to another question: If Nifong wasn’t acting intentionally, how would you describe his state of mind and assess the extent of his culpability?</p>

<p>Another term that’s sometimes used in the criminal law to characterize a culpable state of mind may be useful here: “recklessly.” In the hierarchy of culpability, someone who acts recklessly is usually thought to be less culpable than someone who acts intentionally or knowingly, but more culpable than someone who acts negligently. See, e.g., <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea&lt;/a&gt; (discussing the concept of “mens rea,” or guilty mind [lawyers, as you may have noticed, like to employ Latin terminology whenever possible, in an effort, apparently, to make their much-maligned profession appear more learned]). Recklessness is usually defined as conscious disregard of a known risk.</p>

<p>If Nifong did not act with the intent to frame innocent young men, I think that a strong argument could be made that he acted recklessly. In other words, he acted in conscious disregard of the risk that he was prosecuting individuals who were innocent. Failing to consider exculpatory evidence (the one guy’s alibi evidence, for instance) would appear to constitute acting recklessly. So too would failing to question the complaining witness personally with respect to the various inconsistencies and outright contradictions in her stories.</p>

<p>Besides recklessness, another legal principle that might be relevant here is the one that underlies a jury instruction that is often given in white-collar criminal cases - the “ostrich” instruction. See, e.g., <a href=“http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/whitecollarcrime_blog/2006/05/here_comes_an_o.html[/url]”>http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/whitecollarcrime_blog/2006/05/here_comes_an_o.html&lt;/a&gt;.
The idea behind this instruction is that if the crime in question requires for guilt that a defendant acted with knowledge of, say, the falsity of certain information, actual knowledge that the information was false need not be established if it can be shown that the person “deliberately avoid[ed] acquiring . . . [such] knowledge” (quoted language is from a case cited in the previous link). A strong argument could be made that this principle would apply to Nifong’s conduct. That is, like an ostrich, he deliberately avoided knowledge that would have tended to show that these guys were innocent. Again, his failure to consider exculpatory evidence and his failure to question the complaining witness personally would be relevant.</p>

<p>These are the kinds of issues that, I’m sure, are going to be very much on the minds of the State Bar ethics folks when they analyze Nifong’s handling of this case and decide his fate.</p>

<p>I think Nifong started from an assumption that a crime had taken place and that it was committed by members of the lacrosse team, and with that assumption in place, pretty much figured that over time any evidence he found would bolster his case. The Durham News Observer article describes Nifong as

This sounds like a person who is used to winning through intimidation, if he has to. He probably figured that the only “fact” he needed to discover was which team members were guilty, and that if that “fact” couldn’t be discovered via DNA or an accurate identification by the witness, it would turn up when some scared college kid decided to rat out the guilty party. The problem was… there was no guilty party. </p>

<p>I think Nifong’s next best hope (for himself) was that interest would die down over time, and after the election there would be a graceful exit for him, like a plea bargain. If the testimony of his DNA lab expert hadn’t suggested willful and deliberate suppression of evidence, the case might have been determined based on the outcome of the motion to suppress the identification. If he lost that motion, he could have claimed that the defendants got off on a technicality (judge threw out relevant evidence); if he won, that would have put more pressure on the defense to agree to some sort of plea bargain. </p>

<p>Obviously he didn’t expect to get caught at his shenanigans – but that’s hubris again – no one who does stupid-headed, wrong things ever expects to get caught, whether it is the dumbest of shoplifters or the most sophisticated white-collar criminal. They all imagine that the are smarter than everyone else and are going to be able to pull off whatever it is they are trying to get away with.</p>

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<p>In many many other related articles this week, it is mentioned that Hillary Clinton will be visiting the Basketball team in New Jersey. Do you think she’ll continue down the road to meet with some lacrosse players in North Carolina? Yes Hillary, the road goes both ways. :rolleyes:</p>

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Here’s the outrage: This is a total crock. I’m outraged that jerks like “Bernie Miklasz” - whoever he is - want to try to ride this hobby horse for their own Sharpton-esque purposes. The Duke Lacrosse players will not be followed by the word “rapist” forever - they’ve emerged smelling like roses - as well they should. Frankly, I’m tired of the hand-wringing about how their lives were “destroyed” by this. Was it an ordeal? Sure. But in therms of their “lives” it is a hiccup. In terms of random injustice, the Duke case isn’t a pimple on the backside of race relations in this country.</p>

<p>I’m outraged by the whining. There are lessons to be learned from the Duke case. Pity the poor affluent white people isn’t one of them.</p>

<p>I’m outraged that a callous stupid attempt at humor by a radio talk show host is claimed to have cause permanent damage to the lives of those players.
I’m outraged that all the civil right groups jumped on that bandwagon and have not apologized to the Duke players.
I am outraged that a single man’s comment can cause such a stir. I am outraged that people honestly believe that the basketball team suffered a tragic injustice, yet the lives of the lacrosse players will go on.</p>

<p>Yes, I am sick of the whining too. </p>

<p>Ahh, isn’t it good to vent Kluge?</p>

<p>And I still want Hillary to go to Durham. :eek:</p>

<p>Kluge - I’m afraid I disagree with you here. Time will tell, but the number of “something happened” and “paid for justice” and other postings that still creep up - some on the weblogs of academics and some elsewhere - will dog those three for a long time. </p>

<p>wrt Imus - I think he is getting his just desserts in all this, and I would like to see Dan Shanoff receive the same for [his</a> post](<a href=“http://www.danshanoff.com/2007/04/thursday-0412-am-quickie-nfl-draft-king.html]his”>Dan Shanoff: Thursday 04/12 A.M. Quickie:NFL Draft, King Felix, Imus, Duke LAX, More) which included, at the end:

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<p>I would like for you to imagine your professional life if, for several months, you were under indictment for rape and if, for one year, you were under indictment for sexual assault and kidnapping. If the management at the building you work in put your picture up along with some of your co-workers asking you to PLEASE COME FORWARD. If the head of a national organization, categorized by some as a militant racist hate group, came to campus, demanded to interview you, continues to believe in your guilt, and is armed.</p>

<p>Hiccup. Please.</p>

<p>On the plus side, with the victory over UVA yesterday (great game with a fantastic goal in OT) the men’s Duke Lax team won the ACC Lax regular season title. A nice way to cap a happy week for Duke Lax!</p>

<p>Great post DukeEng93!!! I completely agree. There have been so many columns, talking heads, letters-to-the-editor, etc. since they were exonerated that still say “something must have happened”, it’s disgusting. In a world of people “googling” other people constantly, this will never really go away. There will always be someone out there whispering behind their backs!! Not a way to start out your adult life.</p>

<p>DukeEgr & sokkermom nailed it. Imus’ cruel, nasty comment about the young womens’ appearance had a racial component because he mentioned a black physical characteristic that is merely descriptive (nappy) and combined it with a vile slur common in the lyrics of black rap artists (ho.) Contrast being called rough looking whores with the lax boys being charged as rapists, suffering through a racially motivated prosecution, and facing a 30 year prison term. There are still countless articles being published and pundits appearing on the airwaves denying their inocence. To state that they are now smelling like roses is just idiotic.</p>

<p>I am with you 1sokkermom. The hypocricy is so distasteful. Are people really comparing the “pain” of the Rutgers students to that of the Duke students?</p>

<p>And can someone really believe that a 15 mos (or however long the Duke nitemare went on), with the constant national publicity and the ongoing angst of the whole litigation process, with the constant worry/fear that things might not have turned out as they did, and that a bigger injustice could have occured, be called a “hiccup”. That is an insult to them. Would anyone here like to trade places with them and live that nightmare for as long as they did, change their personal and academic life, etc etc etc. Good grief.</p>

<p><em>edit</em> I started this post about an hour ago, but had to stop and tend to other matters. I see many others have posted my sentiments in my absence.</p>

<p>“Pity the poor affluent white people isn’t one of them.”</p>

<p>THERE’S the problem, right there.</p>

<p>No one person (or group) is LESS deserving of outrage.</p>

<p>Either there is outrage across the board or no outrage at all…</p>

<p>Would the Duke students want to trade placed with James Giles? <a href=“http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Blog2007-04-09.php#1[/url]”>http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Blog2007-04-09.php#1&lt;/a&gt;
Step back from the wallowing and assess where this particular injustice ranks alongside things that happen to people every day: illnesses, injuries, incarceration, loss of family members, etc. There are people who are homeless, who lack medical care, and yes, who are wrongly accused and locked up, every day here in America. </p>

<p>I felt for these boys and their families throughout. (I have two sons in college - it could have been us.) But even a minimal sense of perspective puts their particular travails well down the chart in terms of tragedy, injustice, and “living a nightmare.”</p>

<p>So, yeah, I’ll triage my outrage. This case was bad. There are thousands ten times worse. Which are you going to vent your outrage on?</p>

<p>“Which are you going to vent your outrage on?”</p>

<p>I guess the thread that you are on? :)</p>

<p>You’re right, kluge, that there will always be a story of injustice that trumps the one being discussed. But for anyone to say that this was a hiccup clearly means that they are not empathetic with what these families have gone through. Affluent or not, they had serious fears about what could have happened (and was happening) at the hands of Mike Nifong. </p>

<p>As for the Rutgers’ women–I am certainly sorry for how Imus’s comments must have hurt after they had achieved so much. But very few people outside of Rutgers could name any of the women on that team, nor were their names and faces plastered publicly for weeks with Imus’s description so that they would forever be connected with that. None of them lost any school time, none of them have feared for their lives, or with being incarcerated. But they get apologies galore, and Duke lax is still waiting for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to apologize, not to mention many in msm and others. Jesse Jackson refused Anderson Cooper’s suggestion that he apologize to the Duke players.</p>

<p>Irish,
I agree completely. Not many know the individual names of these girls. I still don’t. However, unless you live in a bubble, everyone knows the name of the “Duke 3”. (Their names AND faces were practically on the “Wanted: Dead or Alive” Posters throughout the country for over a year for goodness sake…) </p>

<p>I posted the following on the “other thread”. The only reason anyone possibly knows the names of these women is because of the constant media bombardment. (or they may be a Rutgers basketball fan.) I watched these women beat the Duke women’s team and I have no idea what their individual names are or where they come from. </p>

<p>I also mentioned on the other thread that Hillary Clinton appears to actually have been soliciting support via the internet on her own campaign web site for these poor victimized women. She may have even provided email addresses!</p>

<p>My post on th Imus thread:</p>

<p>"^In reality, unless you are a real avid fan of a particular team, the names come and go. Name recognition of women’s basketball players is not usually common knowledge for the “general” public. It just isn’t. I watched a couple of the games and I can’t remember the names of the players at all.</p>

<p>As someone else so aptly asked, who even remembers what team represented the “Runner-up” status in last year’s women’s NCAA basketball Tournament? Most people can’t even remember the team, let alone the names of the individual players on the team!</p>

<p>Without the media hype, probably no one would remember that the Rutgers team was the 2007 NCAA Women’s Runner-Up Team. Many people won’t even remember who the Championship Team was in about six months. (Except for the team, coach, team families, and the school.)"</p>

<p>Kluge:
why is it that if you express a concern over the real injustice that prevailed in the Duke case for well over a year, you are wallowing? </p>

<p>Yet, if you express concern over the “injustice” that was cause by the equivalent of a hiccup (or burp) coming from the mouth of a known vulgar talk show host, you are considered to be morally superior, or at least justified in your wallowing?</p>

<p>I don’t get it.</p>