Duke LAX case discussion continued.....;)

<p>Okay, let’s start here: Don’t compare apples and oranges. The problem with Imus wasn’t the hurt it may have caused the Rutgers players. (I doubt they really cared what the old coot said all that much. He’s a nobody to me, I’d be astonished if he was anything but a nobody to them either.) The problem was a nationally syndicated radio “personality” expressing contempt and ridicule for black people in general and black women in particular, in coarse and offensive terms. That’s a bad thing - not because it hurt the girls feelings, but because it is an echo of a truly dangerous attitude towards blacks in America which was prevalent - to the extent that no one even commented upon it - within my lifetime. I really don’t want that attitude to become prevalent again. That’s why Imus’ comments were a problem, that’s why he was properly shunned for making them, that’s why his employer was wise to fire him.</p>

<p>The Duke case? Sure you’ve got the usual crazies spouting off. (The New Black Panthers are even lesser nobodies than Imus.) But of all the people in America to feel sorry for, these three families have fallen way down the list. Race was actually peripheral to the Duke case - a factor, but not the main issue, which had more to do with prosecutorial incompetence and lack of ethics than with anything else. But it didn’t mark the start of a “War on whites” (or athletes, or middle class people, or whatever) or harken to a time when such attitudes did exist. </p>

<p>It was a bad thing that happened to three families that look a lot like mine. So I relate. But I know families that have had worse things happen to them, and I know there are a lot of people at serious risk for having much worse things happen to them. If you followed the link I posted above, you’ll see that for a non-affluent black man in Texas, you could go to prison for ten years for the “crime” of having a similar name as a guy who lived across the street from the victim. None of the Duke students would have gone to prison under the circumstances that sent James Giles there. But he spent ten years in a cell. That’s injustice.</p>

<p>I honestly don’t think these boys are “scarred.” I think they’ll be fine. In fact, I think there’s a decent chance that one or more of them may even be better for the experience, in the long run. That’s why I call it a “hiccup.” I’ll stand by that assessment.</p>

<p>The second part of the N & O series on the Lax case ran today.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.newsobserver.com/1534/story/564477.html[/url]”>http://www.newsobserver.com/1534/story/564477.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>All on CC know already how I feel about this DA.</p>

<p>"I honestly don’t think these boys are “scarred.” I think they’ll be fine. "</p>

<p>I hope you are right. We’ll get to see their side tonight on 60 minutes…</p>

<p>I’m sure that CBS will show us what they want us to see. They will certainly want the “boys” to seem fine. It may help wipe some of the egg off. Maybe not.</p>

<p>It’s interesting that Nifong had a history with Crystal’s family. That actually is more significant than you might think. As the prosecutor of her uncle’s murderer, he would have formed a bond of sorts with the family - a bond which tends to work both ways. Many lawyers will go further out on a limb with an existing (or former) client than they would with someone new. Just another piece of the puzzle.</p>

<p>KC Johnson’s blog has quite a few comments about that very issue, kluge!</p>

<p>I’m sure somewhere there is a Hollywood genius currently working on a proposal for a reality show involving the Duke lacrosse team, the Rutgers women’s basketball team, a tropical island, and lots of beer.</p>

<p>NONE^^ - they are probably planning one around Nifong instead LOL</p>

<p>Will Imus be hosting?</p>

<p>60 minutes was pretty bland. However, there was one powerful quote.</p>

<p>““You can try to move on, but rape will always be associated with my name,” Evans said. “When I die, they’ll say, ‘One of the three Duke lacrosse rape suspects died today.’””</p>

<p>I guess it is up to the viewer to decide if that is merely a “hiccup”…</p>

<p>Oh, I didn’t think it was bland, really. It was a calmly laid out roadmap for Mr. Nifong’s road to unemployment. It played like a looping “Can you believe that? No? Well then you’ll NEVER believe THIS one…”</p>

<p>I was really impressed overall, though I would have to say most with David Evans’ statement that he was going to give Mr. Nifong the respect of waiting for evidence and the trial before passing judgment - something Mr. Nifong elected not to do for himself, Mr. Seligmann, and Mr. Finnerty.</p>

<p>From the transcript of the 60 Minutes segment:</p>

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<p>How many of us would be able to respond to someone who had caused us so much difficulty with this degree of understanding and concern?</p>

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<p>I agree that Evans statements showed a lot of class and grace… but in all fairness he is a smart young man who probably gave a lot of thought to what he was going to say before he was interviewed. So yes, I was impressed, kind of… but his lawyers wouldn’t have let him or the others within a mile of the camera if they didn’t know that these young men know how to retain their composure and stay on message. (And yes, the lawyers are still involved… there very well may be a civil suit brought against Nifong, depending on the outcome and findings of the bar disciplinary hearing). Stahl’s question about Nifong’s intent (“deliberate and malicious”) is very relevant to the issue of whether a civil action is likely to be fruitful.</p>

<p>Though I think a better outcome would be if work is done in North Carolina to reform the grand jury system to require transcripts of g.j. proceedings and also require prosecutors to produce known exculpatory evidence before the grand jury. (Protections we have in California).</p>

<p>calmom - why not both? Civil suits to help let people know such a malicious prosecution is personally actionable AND reforms to make sure this train wreck doesn’t happen to people without the resources of these three? Rae Evans said Nifong messed with the wrong families - and that’s very true - because I think they are also interested in going forward to see what can be done to make sure this doesn’t happen to other families, either. At least, that is the sense I get from the statements of the players.</p>

<p>Reade did an interview on the Today show this morning. He was, again, terrific–very articulate and forthright in answering all the questions from Meridith Vierra. He descibed the accuser as a “sad” woman, and that they respect whatever Cooper decides to do–just so thrilled that Cooper exonerated them.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18132812/[/url]”>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18132812/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>According to this, they are not ready to forgive the accuser. I don’t blame them.</p>

<p>""Seligmann also isn’t ready to forgive his accuser, Crystal Mangum, who told police she was working her way through school as a stripper and escort. </p>

<p>“There is very little you can say to someone who has brought false allegations against you. She’s a very, very sad woman. She needs a lot of help,” Seligmann said of Mangum, who is not expected to face prosecution over her discredited rape claim. “There is nothing you can say to somebody who has tried to take your life away.”"</p>

<p>An unanswered question, as far as I know: where does Colin Finnerty stand in his assault & battery case in Washington DC?</p>

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If there’s going to be a civil suit against Nifong or anyone else, this will be the theme. But of course, it’s not true. If they don’t do anything else memorable with their lives, the squib accompanying their epitaph will be something like “One of the three students falsely charged with a crime by a rogue District Attorney for political purposes, leading to legal reforms in North Carolina after their complete exoneration by the state Attorney General.”</p>

<p>I’d like to think Evans was just repeating the lines he was fed by his lawyer(s) as suggested above, because self-pity isn’t going to get him anywhere at this point, and other than that one maudlin moment I thought Evans was very impressive in his presentation. I’m not surprised he’s got a job on Wall Street.</p>

<p>Once more, for some perspective on a far more serious injustice: <a href=“http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-exonerate9apr09,0,2045894,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines[/url]”>http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-exonerate9apr09,0,2045894,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Good point, DukeEgr. Rae Evans is no pushover. I would have said those exact same words in her shoes, and not because of wealth (I don’t have any,) but because of my conviction & determination to right an injustice. Contrary to what many believe, rich, privleged families like hers maintain friendships with middle class people & are not oblivious to the different challenges & experiences they face. There ARE blue-collar (or at least middle-class) kids on the lax team at Duke. These kids are friends with the wealthy three who were indicted. I’m impressed with how aware the families & the three boys are regarding the different outcome that they may have faced without top legal support. (My own theory, which is just a theory with no prooof, is that the Nifong team highlighted the names of kids from towns like Essex Fells. The assumption of deep pockets & the juicy contrasting television shots of maniucured lawns & large homes vs. the Durham run down neighborhoods was too tempting to pass up.) That’s not a lesson they will soon forget, and these families are not likely to go away without trying to shed light on a serious problem in our judicial system. Rogue prosecutors had better rein themselves in.</p>

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<p>I certainly wouldn’t expect them to “forgive” her - in the usual sense of the word. How could they, particularly when, according to the Attorney General, she’s still so confused in her thinking that she believes she was victimized?</p>

<p>On the other hand, what impresses me are the apparent attempts to understand - to see this woman as “troubled” and “sad,” rather than simply malicious.</p>

<p>The French have an expression: “comprendre, c’est pardonner” (“to understand is to forgive”).</p>