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Decades of work have gone into making sure people get that the latter is not an excuse for rape EVER; hopefully some will now go into the thought that hosting or being out a load party with beer and strippers is not an excuse to be falsely accused of rape ever, either.
Nicely said DukeEgr, that is exactly the point. AND latetoschool, if one of my son’s was under indictment for a crime he did not commit, the last thing I would be thinking about is the societal implications of the circumstances surrounding the indictment. The mother-bear in me would be out in all her glory and all that would show is teeth and claws!</p>
<p>Yes, and I agree with you! I merged the two threads. Shortly afterward, upon visiting the cafe again, I saw two identical Duke threads with over 11,000 posts and so tried to get rid of ONE. Or so I thought. Only later, upon revisiting and seeing “where did the Duke thread go?” did I learn that both are now gone. I don’t know if CC can retrieve it. It is not looking good at the moment. I am doing what I can.</p>
<p>My opinion of the segment on 60 minutes is a little bit different from what I am reading on cc. I think that the parents did show compassion for the accuser. I also felt that purpose of the interview was not for the parents to take responsibility for the action of their children. I do think that Duke did the right thing at the time (with the information that they had), and I think they are doing the right thing today. They needed to protect students, faculty, and employees on campus if the young men did commit rape. Now that there isn’t much evidence that these men raped the accuser, Duke has invited them back on campus. I understand their parents’ fear about letting their sons back on campus. </p>
<p>Hiring a stripper is not illegal. It is an indiscretion that shows very poor judgement. Underage drinking is illegal, but it is certainly not rape. As to the issues about broomsticks, racial slurs etc,. we do not know if any of this took place, and whether these men were involved in any of it. We were not there, and there has not been a trial.</p>
<p>It was a good idea to merge the threads, CollegeMom. Please don’t worry about the accidental deletion - I bet everything is somewhere retrievable and if not, we all will move on and continue the conversation from this point forward…I was never going to read all the old stuff anyway and this means my uninformed question about why the Evans boy isn’t invited back to Duke (duh, he graduated) is gone - and that’s good!</p>
<p>Actually I was surprised that CC had not given that giant thread a trim lately. I’ve followed the case, but didn’t really feel like I could post on the giant thread because as a policy, I like to read prior posts before I open my big yapper. In the case of the Duke thread, that would have taken weeks, perhaps months. So maybe this a good thing CollegeMom!</p>
<p>(I also have kept the yapper shut because my kid attends UNC and I’ve seen more than a few ridiculous comments suggesting that Nifong acted improperly because he was nursing an old UNC vs. Duke grudge.)</p>
<p>Collegemom, this all makes me think of the commercial where the office worker hits the “that was easy” button and a “cosmic split” occurs that makes the slacker worker end up folded into a filing cabinet drawer Maybe that’s where you’ll find the 11,000 posts!</p>
<p>On another note, I wanted to post a link to Dukeengr’s blog. He wrote one of the best and most heartfelt posts about this whole debacle that I have read. (I don’t think I can put a link to a blog, but it is under Xanga 2.0 is Here! and the thread is entitled “Unfair and Unbalanced-a 2000+ word rant”) I believe that given the position he is in, as a professor at Duke, he has a true view of what is going on there now and in the past. Thanks professor for writing such a wonderful post, I really enjoy your blog.</p>
<p>LOL, I see. It’s probably just as well to have the new thread, are we stuck with the thread title “where did the Duke thread go”? Can the title be edited?</p>
<p>I am still seeking CC tech help regarding a possible retrievel of the lost thread. I was asked the exact title. I recall the thread title as being (You’d think I was 100% sure after all these months!): “Alleged rape by Duke lacrosse member”. That was it, right? I need the EXACT title. This morning, when I did the merge, I slightly altered the title to read “members” rather than “member” for obvious reasons. If anyone feels 99% sure of the title, let me know here. It is being looked into. I can’t promise anything and it sort of looks not so positive but may be possible. </p>
<p>Thank you for the supportive posts considering I feel real badly about this mistake.</p>
<p>I probably should visit Sinner’s Alley about now! :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Dang it CollegeMom - my publisher is expecting the first three chapters of my novel. It’s a historical fiction called: </p>
<p>The Nifong Hoax: A Community in Turmoil Stretching the 11000 Strands of a Single Thread</p>
<p>I had already developed some of my characters:
[ul]
[<em>]a lawyer known for jury-rigging named Kludge
[</em>]another lawyer known for fencing named Epeestrophy
[li]a mom from the inner city named Beurbanah[/li][/ul] Now what I am supposed to do :D</p>
<p>That’s really, really funny you two. I also loved C’s cliff notes - especially “defendant, DA”. LOL. Regardless of anything else that much seems certain at least. </p>
<p>CollegeMom/Kluge thanks for the title edit, that works better.</p>
<p>ag54 - thanks for the kinds words about [my</a> rant](<a href=“Xanga 2.0 is Here!”>Xanga 2.0 is Here!). It really did start as a call to individualize the signatories of the “listening” ad… It is probably testimony to an addled brain that, somehow, references to both Maya Angelou and the musical Chicago ended up in there . . .</p>
<p>This is not fair. How will we know if the never ending thread would have ever ended? :mad:</p>
<p>It just doesn’t count that it was destroyed by operator <em>error</em>. Or was it? :D</p>
<p>It is also not fair that the original cc “group of 88” (or the first 88 posters or whatever it was) are now completely absolved without ever admitting they were wrong. That is just not right. It would have been much more fun to look back 11,000 posts ago to see who said what in the beginning…Now everyone can say they waited for the truth… :(</p>
<p>Oh well, at least some of us will never become cc senior members based on post count now. :o</p>
Well, it would have been another 11,000 posts (times infinity) if you were waiting for some of those posters to ever admit they were wrong. Not gonna happen. Ever. ;)</p>
<p>collegemom (et al), I really wouldn’t sweat the lost thread. However, it was (or would be) an eye opening exercise to go back and read the first 10 or 20 or maybe 50 pages of that thread to see how much snap judging there was and how opinions changed over time. I think one of my earliest posts on the thread was something like, “if the boys are innocent, as remote a possibility as that seems…”</p>
<p>I’ll bet that thread was part of the problem for the frequent outages and down time we have been experienced – something like that probably wreaks havoc on the board indexing system. </p>
<p>Since I am a web/techie person, I’m pretty sure that the thread will not be retrievable – the way to get it would be to restore the board from a backup. A good server will be backed up at least once every 24 hours… but the problem is that when you restore from a backup, you lose all the newer posts, so it tends not to be a good solution - though there may be a way to pull that up the data and then store it in some sort of archived form – so that we could all click a link to the archive and see the thread, but not post to it. </p>
<p>This is just speculation on my part, of course. (My own practice on the very different discussion board that I run is to automatically archive older posts in busy threads like this one – so as soon as a thread reaches a certain size, all of the older posts get shifted to an archive, and to find the old ones you have to go to the archives. I don’t know whether that is possible with the software that runs this board – but it does help keep things a little cleaner).</p>
<p>“However, it was (or would be) an eye opening exercise to go back and read the first 10 or 20 or maybe 50 pages of that thread to see how much snap judging there was and how opinions changed over time.”</p>
<p>Later we will be able to look back to the start of this thread and think about the snap judgments made about the players’ parents’ appearance on 60 Minutes. Since the program controlled the questioning and the editing, I would be very careful about drawing conclusions about what the parents actually think and feel. Stahl had a story she wanted to tell, or at least a slant to it, and kept asking or rephrasing questions until the proper answers were given. I’d be willing to bet that what we saw was distilled from several hours of video.</p>
So maybe this a good thing CollegeMom!</p>