Ebola hysteria

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<p>I heard on the news that they were wearing full protective gear but that there was a gap in the neck area. If they weren’t using full protective gear, than that is a breach in protocol in itself.</p>

<p>You’re right. It was nurse 2 that went dress shopping after treating the ebola patient. It doesn’t affect my conclusion that the medical team, which includes nurse 2 as much as it does nurse 1, made ill-advised choices that defied common sense.</p>

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<p>Yes, there is a LOT of speculation. Have read repeatedly that even in “FULL gear,” there was exposed skin with many of the Dallas healthcare workers, so it’s hard to KNOW and have less speculation. Not sure how it will be confirmed as to how exactly these two nurses were infected.</p>

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<p>Maybe I should be quarantined with everyone on this thread who said the principal was in Zaire?</p>

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<p>Actually, to be strictly accurate, she called the TX health authority–can’t recall the name of the agency–and THEY called the CDC, where someone said her temp was below the threshold and she could fly, and that was relayed to Vinson.</p>

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<p>“Maybe I should be quarantined with everyone on this thread who said the principal was in Zaire?”</p>

<p>I fess up to writing Zaire instead of Zambia. I have no reason why I wrote Zaire instead of Zambia, since I had just read this article - to double check the facts since it happened a few days ago. </p>

<p><a href=“Ebola hysteria sweeps US schools | Daily Mail Online”>Ebola hysteria sweeps US schools | Daily Mail Online;

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<p>Here is an article on open letter from CEO of Texas Hospital Group apologizing for mishandling Duncan’s case. </p>

<p><a href=“Dozens Declared Free of Ebola Risk in Texas - The New York Times”>http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/us/ceo-of-texas-hospital-group-at-center-of-ebola-scare-apologizes-for-mistakes.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I don’t know, Consolation- all I’m seeing says she called CDC. There’s a report one of the CDC heads confirmed it, but I don’t know if I trust that source. So what this shows us is we don’t know as much as we eventually need to.</p>

<p>Ok, see her uncle says she called some other group.</p>

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<p>“Actually, to be strictly accurate, she called the TX health authority–can’t recall the name of the agency–and THEY called the CDC, where someone said her temp was below the threshold and she could fly, and that was relayed to Vinson.”</p>

<p>This makes me sick (no pun intended!) - a broken phone game is not appropriate in such situations! As you day, goG knows what had been relayed to the CDC and back in the end! </p>

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Where ya been, collegealum? Consolation indicated that the communication came from the Texas Health Dept who contacted the CDC (I hadn’t heard that). What had been reported was that her temp of 99.5 was below the 100.4 threshold that is being used at airports to refer for further screening. They are now saying they might lower that temp threshold in light of Ms. Vinson’s symptoms before diagnosis. I think the lower temp threshold for further screening is reasonable.</p>

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<p>Actually, CBS DFW says “Vinson told CBS that she called the CDC several times with concerns.” </p>

<p>I;m leaving it “uncertain whom she called” :(</p>

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<p>As to the PPG:</p>

<p>Dr. Weinstein, in his interview that was linked on one of the two ebola threads, states that when HE came onto the scene (he and his partners take turns covering the various ICUS), Mr. Duncan was intubated and on dialysis. At that time, the PPG that Dr. Weinstein and the care team were wearing was the full coverage gear, that we are all referring to as “hazmat.” That is definitely not what they were wearing at first. He spoke to reporter Janet St. James of the notion that infection occurs if fluids enter the eyes, nose, mouth. She asks in so many words, “So the fact that the neck was exposed would not have been seen as a risk?” He responds in the affirmative. He references the fact that as the CDC protocols/recommendation evolved, so did their PPG. Dr. Duncan died on Wednesday, October 8. Nina Pham became symptomatic 2 days later. If the team was wearing the full coverage gear during the later part of his care, it just takes doing the math to conclude that the chances the nurses were infected earlier into the treatment timeline rather than the latter are fairly high.</p>

<p>No, there is no way to definitely state when exactly the exposure occurred which resulted in the nurses’ infection. </p>

<p>As far as Nina Pham- “Nurse #1”-goes, there has been zero indication that she took any chances with the public’s safety. Allegedly she chose to “self isolate at home.” When she became febrile, she called in immediately, and from what I understand, was in isolation within 90 minutes.</p>

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<p>Oh no. In other Ebola-related news: the plush Ebola toy offered by the Giant Microbes company is now “out of stock”</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/ebola.html”>http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/ebola.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Rats. There go my Christmas gifts…</p>

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<p>LOL scout!</p>

<p>Article on hysteria which includes this nugget:</p>

<p>“Carolyn Smith of Louisville, Ky., last week took a rare break from sequestering herself at home to take her fiancé to a doctor’s appointment. She said she was reluctant to leave her house after hearing that a nurse from the Dallas hospital had flown to Cleveland, over 300 miles from her home. “We’re not really going anywhere if we can help it,” Ms. Smith, 50, said.”</p>

<p><a href=“In U.S., Fear of Ebola Closes Schools and Shapes Politics - The New York Times”>In U.S., Fear of Ebola Closes Schools and Shapes Politics - The New York Times;

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<p>Clearing up the confusion whom Vinson called; According to the family she called both before leaving Dallas and before returning home. </p>

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<p><a href=“Ebola patient Amber Vinson's family disputes CDC story, gets a lawyer”>http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-amber-vinson-ebola-20141019-story.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I always though I was up to date on most things, but Scout has me topped. The company’s selection is remarkable. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/main/giantmicrobes-originals?limit=all”>http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/main/giantmicrobes-originals?limit=all&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Actually, it was jym or BB who mentioned the Giant Microbes several pages ago - I just checked up on the availability to see if I could get some for Christmas gifts.</p>

<p>That being said, when I worked in an infectious disease research group, we all had a plush bacterium in our offices. I had strep pyogenes (the flesh-eating bacterium). It’s a great conversation-starter. </p>

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<p>Just go to any medical school bookstore. They are likely to have them.</p>

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<p>ok, this is only ebola related in that when I first saw it, I thought it was a hazmet suit costume, but it’s funny either way.</p>

<p><a href=“FUNNY VIDEO: This little boy wins Halloween in epic costume fail - ABC7 Chicago”>Page Not Found | abc7chicago.com - ABC7 Chicago;

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<p>Med school bookstore? Ok, maybe. Our med students are on tablets. </p>