Edinburgh Fringe

<p>Hello all, I just returned from the Edinburgh Festival Fringe. </p>

<p>Won’t bore you with the fiasco of the the flights and delays, except to say that I tried to smuggle in my Dan Brown paperback under my coat and failed! (What, they thought I might have replaced the pages with thin sheets of plastic explosives?)</p>

<p>The Fringe is a marvelous experience, and Edinburgh is absolutely gorgeous - if you haven’t been, you should definitely go! I saw 30 shows in eight days, everything from Three Mo’ Tenors to One Man Star Wars Trilogy, some pre-West End dramas like Midnight Cowboy, the Muppets Adult Improv (fabulous!), some weird and very cool musicals - Bat Boy, Yeti the Abominamusical, and Catchy! (about the Plague - a riot), and some new theatre. </p>

<p>There were many college and high school groups from the UK and the US staging shows (I was somewhat concerned for the roving bands of wild high school students, hoping that they had an adequate number of adult chaperones in tow!) My son’s a cappella group, Out of the Blue, got two five-star reviews and they were sold out the last few days I was there - they were invited to participate in a three-hour show best-of-the-fringe show “A Night at the Castle,” evidently the first performance held at the castle in decades. </p>

<p>There are several festivals that overlap during August - the International Festival (orchestras and classical performers from all over the world), the International Book Festival, the Comedy Festival, and more. One location, more to do than anyone can possibly take in. I think that even without the festivals, it would take at least four days of concentrated effort to “do” Edinburgh, with all of the the history, art, architecture, and attractions (whisky tastings, weaving demonstrations, etc. etc.). </p>

<p>The zoo has the largest collection of penguins in captivity, and three of them condescended to “parade” around an oval for our viewing pleasure - up to 40 voluntarily partake of this daily pleasure, depending on the time of year. The keepers are great about answering questions, and it takes them hours to feed everyone - they feed by hand so they can ensure that older birds and chicks are adequately nourished, and if one needs medication, they just slip it in the mouth of the fish. Some of the senior denizens are almost 20, having lived long past their typical lifespan in the wild. Also saw baby warthogs (!) four Asiatic lion cubs, and a pack of African Wild Dogs (the signs on the enclosure said “These animals are dangerous. Keep children off the railings [elevated walkway]. Objects dropped in the enclosure cannot be retrieved.”) The zoo is in the process of a major refurbishment, with large natural enclosures and elevated walkways, and tall bridges for the monkeys and apes. Well worth a visit.</p>

<p>On a more sober note - political anecdotal observation - the pro-Islamic sentiment seems to be relatively strong over there. On the 12th, as I was in line for a show, there was a “peace march” passing by that seemed to be slanted towards the Islamic point of view - a preponderance of signs against Israel. The BBC televised an interview with a Muslim spokesperson, and his point of view was more or less that the terrorists were disaffected because of UK policies, and that the policies must change - “some of our youth are just so angry that it is expressed in violence.” Had the effect of something like: ‘I tried to kill my mother but it’s because she made me angry - she needed to stop making me angry.’ Terrorist apologism? I don’t think anyone would have the guts to express those sentiments here.</p>

<p>Yulsie, Sounds like quite an experience! Glad you got to go. Bravo to your son’s group, Out of the Blue. They are hot, hot, hot and on a roll! Must have been thrilling for you to be there to see it. I still hope that perhaps his group can coordinate with my D’s group at NYU for a performance when your son’s group comes to the US. Here’s to another exciting year for your son!</p>

<p>Yulsie:</p>

<p>Congrats to your son and his a capella group! We were in Edinburgh 30 years ago and saw some of the Fringe. It was such a wonderful experience. Your description makes me feel really nostalgic.</p>

<p>We also lived in London at a time of high tensions between the National Front and the Muslim community in Brixton and elsewhere, though at the time, terrorists were members of the IRA. we got used to having our bags searched at every museum and concert hall, looking suspiciously at packages on the tube, etc… Newspapers carried stories about cars exploding; there was as well the case of the poisoned umbrella.
A major difference is that terrorism has become globalized and even more indiscriminate than ever before. No matter what your politics/religious beliefs, no one is safe anymore.</p>

<p>The University of Edinburgh is a wonderful place! About 15,000 students, therefore has wonderful inexpensive restaurants (I had the very best Thai food I ever ate there, and the best veggie burger) and lots of clubs and activities. Gorgeous buildings, naturally.</p>

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<p>Accounting, archeaology, architecture, business, cellular and mollecular biology, chemical engineering, chemistry, civil engineering, classics and ancient history, computer science, economics, electrical and electronic engineering, English, history, maths & statistics, mechanical engineering, “organismal biology,” physics, politics, social policy, social work, sociology and social anthropology, veterinary medicine.</p>

<p>Anecdotes - I spoke with one of the University students who was at the reception desk at the university-run B&B where I stayed (4 blocks from the Royal Mile - excellent location). He was a third-year physicist and was very pleased with his program, said there is so much to do year-round that the students were typically quite happy.</p>

<p>Also sat with an elderly Scottish couple on the plane home and they told me about the great veterinary medicine program at U Edinburgh. Both of their daughters are vets - one is a board certified specialist in small animal orthopedics and the other specializes in exotics and works at the Edinburgh zoo. They said usually about 1000 applicants for 45 places - wow! It is a five-year program, straight through to becoming a licensed veterinary surgeon.</p>

<p>Glad you enjoyed Edinburgh and that the OOTB took the place by storm again.</p>

<p>Edinburgh (or maybe Glasgow) is probably the best Scottish university, despite the hype that St Andrews gets. I also get the impression that it welcomes American applicants. It operates a sort of semester system which may make it seem a bit more familiar.</p>

<p>On veterinary science there are are only 6 vet schools in the UK (Edinburgh, Glasgow, Liverpool, Bristol, Cambridge, and the Royal Veterinary College in London) so the competition for all of them is ferocious. They’ve long had some of the most demanding entry requirements of any universities in the UK.</p>

<p>Edinburgh is so much nicer ANY time other than the festival! The festival crowds are hellish and I will never go there again during this time.</p>

<p>No-one had heard of St Andrews before Prince William went there and for some reason Americans in particular think this makes it a stellar school. William only got ABC in his A-levels which is hardly outstanding. ITA that Edinburgh uni is much better, and most of those ranking tables agree.</p>

<p>Medicine and vet medicine are undergraduate courses of 5-6 years in the UK. As oldspc said there are hardly any places for vet medicine which makes it pretty much the most competitive undergraduate course in the country. I think they have now limited applications so you can only apply to 5 out of the 6 in any one year.</p>

<p>Actually, St Andrews is the place of choice for many students wanting to do Medieval and Renaissance History.</p>

<p>A friend’s daughter is entering Edinburgh this fall to do four years of graduate study in veterinary medicine. I don’t know if it’s a distinct program from the 6 year UG program cupcake mentions, but she did get her UG degree here in the US first.</p>

<p>I’d assume it’s similar to the intensive graduate medicine course at Oxford, which is 4 years instead of 6. The same course but accelerated into a shorter amount of time. These are even MORE competitive to get into than the undergrad versions (and certainly here seem to be almost entirely populated by foreign students. Probably because UK students can’t get reduced fees and student loans at good rates for 2 undergrad degrees, and as this counts as a second undergraduate degree so they can’t afford it. Every now and again we have “careers days” in which professors try to convince us biomedical science grad students to spend a lot of money on an MD)</p>

<p>Hey Yulsie,</p>

<p>I am a friend of the OOTB and crashed with them for a bit during the Fringe. I know all the boys. Havent figured out whose dad you are though…I loved their shows, was tearing tickets for them!</p>

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<p>St Andrews has always been a very well reputed university, and from international friends, always had a better reputation than Edinburgh, until the last few years at least (when William went there perhaps coincidentally or not!) even if it’s reputation has dropped at all. 10% of their students are Americans and I doubt that’s wholly down to dear Wills! Edinburgh is definitely becoming more popular and reputable these days (and with that, a bit more snooty with admissions by the sounds of it)</p>

<p>There are another three universities in Edinburgh - Heriot Watt, Queen Margaret and Napier. I’ve not been to Napier, but the other two have lovely campuses that I preferred to Edinburgh’s when I was applying to university.</p>

<p>yulsie - I was at the Fringe last week and had a fantastic time. One Man Star Wars Trilogy was something I want to see but was almost totally sold out for the rest of the Fringe when I tried to get tickets :(</p>

<p>Surprisingly, I probably enjoy Edinburgh more during the Fringe. There’s so much to do, so much drama type stuff, lots of interesting people, etc. and even tourists can be amusing - my boyfriend overheard some tourists discussing Edinburgh’s second castle…!!!
The people flyering everywhere are usually a source of irritation for many, but I ended up chatting away to several and got free magic tricks and the like, as well as chatting to many nice people</p>

<p>My school took us on a week’s trip to Edinburgh years ago and we were kept busy the entire time, so it’s an excellent place for a trip!</p>

<p>Sounds like a great experience. I’m jealous.</p>

<p>I was at the Fringe this year, too! (7-11 August) It was an utterly delightful experience. I’d never been to Edinburgh (heck, Scotland at all) before, and I was thoroughly captivated. What a gorgeous city! Next time I’ll see if I can negotiate a trip there while the Fringe isn’t around. I was told (and I can imagine very easily) that the city changes dramatically (no pun intended) when the Fringe rolls around. I liked the atmosphere, but I’d like to see it just being Edinburgh, as well.</p>

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:smiley: Did you happen to see an American high school production called “Voices of Vietnam”? If so, those were my friends (almost all of them). I’m very proud of them, and proud to be involved in my high school’s theatre department. It’s fantastic. :D</p>

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I was disappointed that I wasn’t able to go see that one. I was a huge Star Wars fan when I was little. And, of course, when very few actors interpret an epic tale, hilarity is almost guaranteed–just look at the Reduced Shakespeare Company. :D:D:D:D :p</p>