<p>Why is it that all of the colleges listed in the Schools that Change Lives book do not offer engineering?</p>
<p>Is it impossible to be inspired, nurtured and “changed” with this major? My son has changed his search requirements several times and now we are trying to narrow down his list to schools that offer engineering and music (with a low wall so he could either minor or participate in high level ensembles). A small, change lives-type place would be fantastic (along with the merit aid they hand out) but no engineering.</p>
<p>so far on his list we have:</p>
<p>-University of Rochester (but, alas, we have heard there is a very high wall between --Eastman and the rest of the university).
-Rice
-wustl
and Suny Bing (my son made a strong connection with the music chair/clarinet teacher there who is encouraging him to apply. Out of state school for us.
—Umass/Amherst (our state school, financial safety)
I would love to add to his list:</p>
<p>Kalamazoo
Wooster
Lawrence</p>
<p>but, again, no engineering. </p>
<p>So, wise college confidential crew, any warm, fuzzy engineering experiences out there??</p>
<p>I forgot to mention that he is very against a large greek scene. His comments (based on only internet info though) are:</p>
<p>Bucknell and Lafayette: too greek or “high school”?
Trinity: Forget it, Hartford
Lehigh: to greek as well?
Not sure about Union though. He should plan a road trip!</p>
<p>Northwestern has a program in which you get study both engineering and music. It’s a 5 year program but with enough AP credit/summer terms you can do it in 4.</p>
<p>And although NU has a large greek scene, it is by no means a “traditional” greek scene. Honestly, quite a few people in my dorm were not part of frats/sororities and had prefectly active social life.</p>
<p>My musically-talented niece attended the University of Rochester, but not as an Eastman student (I’m not sure what she actually majored in–she now works with her father in their family business). Anyhow, she was able to take lessons from Eastman faculty and play in the orchestra, and thought that she had plenty of access to the music program.</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins and Peabody Conservatory are similarly connected, and many JHU science students go over to Peabody for their music fix. Of course in a rigorous science or engineering program it can be hard to find the time to do music in a really serious way, but some gifted and organized kids seem to manage.</p>
<p>My nephew, who is majoring in aerospace engineering, chose Georgia Tech for its excellent music scene. He loves to play but doesn’t want to make a career of it, so he is happy with extracurricular options.</p>
<p>I imagine that life-changing experiences can happen anywhere. It was a catchy title for a book, but if you could predict and schedule such experiences I don’t think they would be life-changing.</p>
<p>Definitely check out the University of Tulsa.</p>
The greek life at Lafayette has been de-emphasized in recent years. I believe that there are only five fraternities left on campus. Not sure what is meant by too “high school”.</p>
<p>Son applied to Lafayette (Accepted) which may meet the criteria you are looking for. Also, Union.</p>
<p>If you are applying to SUNY Binghamton, think about applying to SUNY Buffalo. Buffalo has a great engineering program compared to the weak one at Binghamton. While Binghamton is generally highly regarded, it apparently has poor engineering and math depts.</p>
<p>I disagree with the assessment of Bing’s engineering school. It is small and relatively little-known, but it graduates solid engineers. The small size and reasonably tightly-knit departments may be exactly what the OP is looking for. And having a prior good relationship with the instructor for your instrument is great because that relationship is a huge part of your experience on the music side. Bing sounds like a good possibility.
OP, have you considered WPI? Small and relatively personal engineering program and I know they encourage musicians, although I don’t know if the music progam is large enough to provide a lot of options for ensembles.</p>
<p>PS to OP-whatever you do, don’t hold out for an engineering program that’s “warm and fuzzy”. Few if any exist, and the point needs to be to develop professional competence, not get your ego stroked. Think more in terms of “cooperative” vs. “cut-throat competitive”.</p>
<p>Michigan is excellent in both areas (top 10) and The School of Music and College of engineering are located on the north campus. The north campus is a bit less hectic and quieter than the central campus.</p>
<p>I know the spirit of CTcL and the engineering feature that the poster is talking about and the school that I have come across that is precisely a CTcL with engineering is Rose Hulman in Indiana.</p>
<p>It is a small college of about 2,000 students with classes all taught by professors and with virtually no grad program. That is a check with Lauren Pope. </p>
<p>It has been ranked NUMBER ONE in engineering for colleges with a bachelors as a terminal degree for something like the last 10-11 yrs AND it does this with 26-30 mid ACT residents AND a mid 60 s acceptance rate. If you know anything about high performing engineering pgms , the mid 50 is ALWAYS north, most of the time well north of 30, and the acceptance rate is very selective, usually sub 30. Accepting more people who have potential vs superstars out of the gate, and doing big things with them is a cornerstone criterion of a CTcL. Realize that companies flock to this place as much as they do to an Illinois or CMU - on a per capita basis.</p>
<p>RH does this with a very supportive teaching culture that will do all it can to get the student up to speed vs some Eng programs that have a ‘weed-out’ model wherein, darwin like, the weaker get tossed. At RH, the school will help the weaker; it is collaborative in the sense that the CTcL LACs are, too.</p>
<p>I am not sure, however, about music opportunities at RH. I did see this link, however. <a href=“404 | Rose-Hulman”>404 | Rose-Hulman;
<p>only problem with olin is that u have to virtually be a genius to get in. yes, it is small and handos on, but I think I saw the act mid 50 was something like 33- 35 , about .001 of the population. the ctcl idea tends to be about more inclusive and egalitarian and letting guts and ‘want to’ to drive students.</p>
<p>whoa , it is worst. it is 33 to 36. that means that 25 pct of the student body have perfect act scores.</p>
<p>only problem with olin is that u have to virtually be a genius to get in. yes, it is small and handos on, but I think I saw the act mid 50 was something like 33- 35 , about .001 of the population. the ctcl idea tends to be about more inclusive and egalitarian and letting guts and ‘want to’ to drive students.</p>
<p>whoa , it is worst it is 33 to 36. that means that 25 pct of the student body have perfect act scores.</p>
<p>the ctcl idea is to not be uber selective and then do you magic on students with lots of potential, and voila , change. vs taking superstars already and making them superstars.</p>