<p>bd, I am mildly suspicious, too. I tried to find the language of the bill but I had to give up due to homework (stupid homework haha). </p>
<p>Either way, the idea that a bill could come up that could even be interpreted in this way is terrifying. The thought that it could be “legal” for a doctor to lie is scary but not out of the question at this rate. </p>
<p>Also- can you have your license revoked due to violating an AMA ethics policy as someone upstream indicated? I admit to being ignorant of licensing issues.</p>
<p>I think the bill’s text is at <a href=“http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/measures/documents/hb2598_00_0000.pdf[/url]”>http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2011_12/measures/documents/hb2598_00_0000.pdf</a> & specific the thing people are talking about is not being able to sue for “wrongful life/birth”. I obviously could never be a lawyer (or a good one) because I never would have picked it out just reading it w/out looking specifically. But the language is: “No civil action may be commenced in any court for a claim of wrongful life or wrongful birth, and no damages may be recovered in any civil action for any physical condition of a minor that existed at the time of such minor’s birth if the damages sought arise out of a claim that a person’s action, or omission, contributed to such minor’s
mother not obtaining an abortion.” & that seemed sort of clear once I knew what to look for. </p>
<p>Really shocking. I do worry about our country & my daughters.</p>
<p>The experience I described above (#19) did happen in the south, but I had an equally horrible experience with a gynecologist at a clinic in NYC. Why do these guys go into the field if they hate women? I guess they think they are helping or something. These encounters did not help me. In the NYC one, I was having pelvic/abdominal pain and the guy said I had probably damaged myself with unclean practices and wouldn’t be able to have children. It turned out to be an ovarian cyst when my nursing school instructor (who was infuriated on my behalf) found me a better gynecologist (a man, because there were so few female Drs then) who treated me like a human being. Most women going to those clinics had no nursing school profs to run to in tears. And no way to find or pay a better Dr.</p>
<p>I had an ovarian cyst the size of a grapefruit.
My Dr sent me to a shrink because he thought I had a hysterical pregnancy.
The psychiatrist gave me a name of a different ob/gyn who diagnosed the cyst.</p>
<p>Blaming women for having or noT having sex…it’s barbaric</p>
<p>Maybe the women in these states will wakeup. Who decides when a women should have sex, have a baby, get married etc. Seems some men want to decide for all women, might as well put us in shackles</p>
<p>And then to lie to us because we shouldn’t be able to make decisions is treating us like children</p>
<p>And my state is sending that state lots of money…</p>
<p>EK, as someone who has PCOS, it’s stories like that that scare me. I’ve been fortunate to have decent doctors both here and abroad with this condition, but I’m terrified to go to the ER and get that one that doesn’t believe the condition exists or that I’m exaggerating. </p>
<p>Why would you go into health care, specifically OBGYN if you don’t believe in birth control and the like? In what way does that make sense? I just don’t understand. Maybe there should be a question “Can you separate your religious/moral beliefs from what is medically recommended and/or legal?” It’s like pharmacists who can deny a woman birth control because it contradicts their beliefs… then why would you go into that profession?!</p>
<p>I think some people who don’t realize how patronizing they are, may honestly believe that “women” can benefit from their “help & guidance”.
That- or they didn’t make it into the speciality they really preferred.</p>
Off topic, but the reason is irrelevant. Choice is choice. Not liking the reason is not an excuse to limit choice. Not wanting a child of a certain gender is as valid as anything else.</p>
<p>BTW, this isn’t just happening in India. It is also happening in Asian and Indian communities in the USA.</p>
<p>I hate when they say it contradicts their beliefs…what beliefs would that be? It’s amazing how scared of sex these people are. Oh it’s sex to make a baby. Its like the woman doesn’t matter, its her eggs that they care about</p>
<p>I think these so called men should have to submit to lie detector tests and deny they dont do anything that uses up their sperm unless it’s making babies.</p>
<p>That’s a weak argument since god also let men discover many ways in which to kill one another, from sticks and stones to nuclear bombs. Surely that doesn’t imply that god is in favor of such activities?</p>
<p>sylvan, are you saying that VH’s argument is weak or that the religious argument is weak? </p>
<p>If the latter, I agree. But even still, it isn’t our job to decide what God does/doesn’t want. Maybe (S)He let us create abortions and ultrasounds for a reason. Isn’t (S)He supposed to sort us out later, not here on Earth? (I don’t believe in God, so I don’t understand the mindset- I’m just going off what I remember from my Catholic school days.)</p>
<p>ETA: Also, if you’re that steadfast in your religious beliefs, I ask again, why the heck would you go into a career that has a very high probability of asking you to do something against your beliefs. There’s a reason you don’t see too many Quakers as career military people.</p>
<p>So some are saying it’s gods doing? That god decides all…whose god? Not my god, I don’t believe in god. yet men who claim to know what their god wants are deciding for me what I can do with my life and my body. Some old books are just excuses to out down women.</p>
<p>Scary! Can’t the woman just request results of the lab test/medical records? Sad that it must come to that. And I do not think it is justified in any case. not even in places like India or South Korea for reasons mentioned earlier in the thread. Patients have the right to know of any condition. The religious arguement is nonsence. I do not want someone else’s beliefs in any religion to affect my health care.</p>
<p>I don’t understand what the point of taking a lab test would be if you can’t know the results. That sounds like doctors would be practicing insurance fraud, and certainly unethical at the very least. Surprised they aren’t trying to ban all lab tests on pregnant women. But at least they wouldn’t have to pay for a service they’re unable to receive anyways. Or are they just trying to cover the doctors from being sued for any reason?</p>
<p>It’s one thing to protect them from being sued for something outside of their control (I’m actually in favor of those types of laws). It’s another for a bill like this where they are specifically protecting doctors who willfully omit information. I just can’t imagine the defense for that. I hope doctors who do that lose their licenses.</p>
I was referring to VeryHappy’s argument, and yes, it would certainly be our job to try to determine what God does or doesn’t want as best we can. Assuming one believes in God, etc of course. Absent some type of belief in God, it is our position to determine what we as a society accept as right and wrong. The fact that certain options are available to us does not imply that those options are acceptable, to “God” or to society. Sometimes in our zeal to defend a particular view we lose sight of those larger truths.</p>
<p>This is only peripherally related to the original post. Has anybody seen it? If you could control for some things, would you? I especially want to ask the high schoolers. What is “lucky”?</p>
<p>More enlightened parents may want their kids to be of the minority gender, because (in the more common event that they are straight) they will eventually be in a stronger position when it comes to spouse selection than those of the majority gender.</p>