Etiquette in the Wireless Classroom

<p>Another sign of our wired times back in the news in the Chronicle of Higher Ed - Google syndrome and the need to spell out stricter guidelines governing the proper and improper use of high tech devices in the classroom:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://chronicle.com/jobs/news/2007/01/2007012601c/careers.html[/url]”>http://chronicle.com/jobs/news/2007/01/2007012601c/careers.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Maybe they should ban large lecture classes. </p>

<p>Surfing the net is probably better than falling asleep and drooling on your arm while listening to a professor drone on from the front of an auditorium.</p>

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<p>Let me get this straight. They punish the kids by actually having them do something that is part of good teaching (#2)? I take it they view active student participation as a negative?</p>

<p>Of course, not having computers and wireless in the classroom does not necessarily equal attention. I became an ace NY Times Sunday crossword puzzler in med school lectures. Have students lost the fine art of doodling? of course, neither of these things disturb others (unless you ask them for help on your puzzle), use potentially important parts of the brain, and it is possible to look attentive while thinking of the answer for a Fred Astaire movie, 6 letters.</p>

<p>“Top Hat”? (2 words, though.)</p>

<p>Laptops are required equipment in our HS. Each teacher will set a policy on their use in the classroom; some prohibit them, some tolerate or encourage them, some require them. Teachers spell out their policy about laptop use and cellphones at the start of the class; my S’s English teacher this semester (a class in Shakespeare’s comedies) has prohibited laptops and will confiscate any cellphone that rings (or vibrates, if he hears it!) during class and will only return it at the end of the school day. Not unreasonable at all, I think. And for a smaller-sized class in a HS, it works fine. </p>

<p>I think I agree with interesteddad on this one; if you’re going to hold large lecture classes in college, you shouldn’t get controlling about what students do to stay awake. My tactic was always to write in my journal, since it would then actually look as if I were taking notes. Either that, or sit far enough in the back that I could slump down in my seat and nap when the droning got too sleep-inducing. I am not so silly as to think my children should be any more fascinated with lectures than I was.</p>

<p>My kids are at schools with under 5,000 kids. From their reports there are few student laptops being used in the classrooms unless students are doing presentations.</p>

<p>My S takes his laptop to class every day.</p>

<p>I recall reading the newspaper; doing crossword puzzles; doodling; falling asleep. All that well before laptops or the internet were invented. so what’s new under the sun?</p>

<p>Depending on the touch of the “typist” and the style of keyboard, typing in a small classroom can make it difficult to impossible for the other students to hear the lecturer/instructor. This happened to me in grad school. Student asked instructor if it was o.k., but was unconcerned whether the other <em>students</em> found it o.k. Quite annoying, quite rude, when a lecture is not microphone-aided. The typist or typists should be seated not near other students, in that case. (And the student in question did not have a compelling reason to need the laptop, she admitted, other than convenience; no disability was involved.)</p>

<p>Which do most students use? S. assumed that most people in college use a laptop, and was excited about using one.
epiphany had a good point re: the sound of whacking away on keyboards. Our library, of all places, just outfitted their desktops with the noisiest keyboards I’ve ever heard. They make a loud “KLACK!” sound with every touch. It’s maddening. Hope laptops are quieter.</p>

<p>Usually, if the professor has a powerpoint to go with the lecture that is posted before lecture, I’ll print it out and bring it to class to take notes on. However, two of my professors post powerpoints AFTER lecture which drives me nuts - I don’t want to waste paper to take notes when I’m just going to print out the powerpoints later to study anyway, so I’m sort of forced to take my laptop to class and take notes in Word.</p>

<p>Although I try to pay as much attention as possible, it is easy to let your mind drift from lecture when the Internet/email is only a quick click away. I know for sure that I focus better when I don’t have the distraction of my laptop, though.</p>

<p>If I had a dollar for every time I saw some person checking Facebook, shopping online and instant messaging all at the same time while I was behind them, busy trying to actually take notes and pay attention over the clack-clack-clack of their keyboard, I wouldn’t need any loans. I think that instead of trying to restrict laptops they ought to do away with mandatory attendance, so the people who so clearly would rather be at home surfing the net can stay home and do so. It’s especially bad in classes where the projector is in use and the lights are all out except for the scattered glowing screens. </p>

<p>There is one class that I might start taking my laptop to now that I’ve located the electrical outlets in the room, but I’d take it so I can type faster and not have to decipher my messy handwriting later, not to have online chats. </p>

<p>I also sort of wish colleges would adopt my high school’s policy of, “if we hear or see your cell phone at any point in time within the building, we get to take it and keep it all day”. It won’t kill you to stop chatting with your friends for a whole long terrible three hours, I promise.</p>

<p>Maybe they should divide the class seating into note takers and laptop users. It does sound distracting.</p>

<p>Ah, so now kids are using technology for the notes they wrote in class, or the doodles they did, or the book they read behind the textbook, etc. As to boring lectureres, I find that it depends on the person - what one finds boring another finds fascinating. This has been going on for centuries. I expect Socrates had a few who daydreamed. This will never change, but disrupting the whole class is wrong. I remember having to learn (at home) what proper etiquette is. I don’t see much of that anymore, and most of my students feel that anything goes. (I remember a few years ago when my father told an adult to remove his hat in church, and the numbers of men who wear their caps at dinner is incredible!) I can’t believe how many times I have to tell the girls to put the makeup away! And I am NOT talking about just lipstick - mascara, foundation, etc. A little Emily Post would go a long way in solving this situation.</p>

<p>My high school’s policy on cell phones is that if they see it. they take it until your parents come to pick it up. But when I look around class, half the class will be texting with the phone inside their desk. And I’m sure their parents don’t know and assume their kid follows the cell phone policy. I think it’s a maturity thing or something. There’s no reason you need to text anyone in class in HS…sometimes they’re texting people IN the same class, and even if they weren’t, you can see anyone at the end of class in the halls. It’s almost like they just want to get away with using their phone when the rules are supposed to be all strict. It’s amazing how far a little listening goes though. Teachers (at least in a HS class which is going to be less than 30) can tell who’s paying attention. They might not know it’s a phone someone is messing with, but they know who is paying attention, participating. When it came tme for letters of recommendation, I had more than three teachers OFFER to write me one…yeah, you can get an A in some classes by messing around and people know that. But it’s not respectful to the teacher and it’s not respectful to those in the class who don’t have it so easy but are trying nonetheless. It’s really annoying when I get in a group of people and have to explain everything because they weren’t listening to the directions and didn’t do the homework that was assigned as prep work for the day’s activity.</p>

<p>funny how they treated us like elementary school student. I mean these students are responsible adult already, they’re mature enough to be responsible for their own study. If they surf the internet during lecture, it doesn’t mean that they’re lazy. It could be that the prof is boring, or they’ve already mastered the subject, or they’re plain lazy. In any case, surfing the web is certainly more productive than falling asleep in boring lecture class.</p>

<p>For me, I usually read the book/lecture material ahead of time. Most of my professor sucks, they just explain the whole material and they are not good lecturer anyway. Most of their lectures are repeated material from the textbook. Often, I just attend the class to make sure I won’t “miss” something important (which hardly happened). In this case, I’ll open up my laptop, surf the web, check email. It’s a better time spend than hearing boring lecture for something that I’ve already known.</p>

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<p>This is all great stuff for all those cultural anthropologists out there.</p>

<p>Pearlygate - actually I thought the idea of having to sing a solo or duet in front of a class more proper to kindergarten level but, hey, if the shoe fits. I do want to say thanks for your honest post - it really goes a long way to explain what might be going on in the wired classroom. It also goes a long way to support Princedog’s post - ennui, lack of personal engagement with the material or lecture, or even the high-handed assumption that time spent in the lecture hall or classroom is a waste of time is no excuse for rudeness. I do think that this type of behavior is not typical of most college students who do try to sign up for challenging courses and attend classes with the attitude that the exchange of information going on there is central rather than peripheral to their educational experience. </p>

<p>Obviously, there is nothing new about students getting distracted or even falling asleep in class - and that is not necessarily distracting to other unless the person in question snores. Just the other day, one of our hs teachers caught a student doing homework for another class during a presentation given by classmates. This goes on all the time, but this particular time the teacher (a young and very dynamic newbie) was in the back of the class and finally caught a student in flagrante delicto and was indignant. A general warning was issued to the effect that further behavior of this sort would not be tolerated and would lead to the use of a demerit system (there is already a ban on cell phones in place and confiscated phones are not returned) - reason given: because this type of behavior is rude and disrespectful not only to the teacher but to their peers. What is so interesting is just how few students actually understood just why this was considered to be immature, rude, and disrespectful behavior. I agree with ejr that a little bit of Emily Post or Miss Manners would go a long way. On the college level, the temptation to click on Facebook is real and not at all surprising, and it ought not be much of a surprise that it can be highly distracting to those students seated nearby - the limited battery power of laptops might lead classroom designers to have fewer electrical outlets available, none at all, or to cluster them in such a way as to create an informally designated computer friendly area.</p>

<p>I just “shadowed” my HS senior for 2 days. Though he’s a great student and “well-behaved” in general, I was upset by how often I saw him whispering to his best friend while a teacher or student was speaking. When we talked about it later, he said he already knew the material so it was ok. I said it was rude and distracting so it was NOT ok.</p>

<p>I just came across this engaging article that focuses on UCSD computer science students:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/education/20070128-9999-lz1n28newways.html[/url]”>http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/education/20070128-9999-lz1n28newways.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>This is all even more interesting when read in conjunction with the following article about research on multitasking and the brain:</p>

<p><a href=“Why our brains suffer a log-jam | Daily Mail Online”>Why our brains suffer a log-jam | Daily Mail Online;

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<p>On one hand, I can see where these concerns come from. It’s very annoying and disrespectful to be talking to someone (even one in a group of people) and have them not paying attention/doing something else.</p>

<p>At my school, tuition averages out to $1.25 per minute of lecture. That’s more than an international phone call most places! Would you dial Thailand on your cell phone, put it down, and browse facebook for an hour before hanging up?</p>

<p>On the other hand, there are also times when it’s disrespectful to students to expect them to be at the ready all the time. Occasionally I stay up late working on a huge project or studying for a midterm or such. In classes with required attendance, I still have to get up in the morning and trudge into class (even if I know the lecture is on something I know I can miss and make up) and try to not fall asleep. Clearly I don’t gain anything from the lecture and I disrespect the professor by not paying attention. Ditto if I’m sick or something, in which case I <em>really</em> disrespect everyone by interrupting class with coughing/sneezing/etc as well as getting everyone else sick. </p>

<p>So if a class requires attendance, there are always going to be a few people not paying attention (for good reasons or no). In a class that doesn’t, then the professor has my sympathies - if you’re not paying attention, go home! But if you treat college students like kids, expect them to behave that way.</p>

<p>This is an interesting discussion, and I can see the validity of many of the points. My kids don’t take laptops to class because they don’t want to have to haul it around and keep track of it. I personally engage better with a pencil or pen than with something technical. Uses a different side of my brain! But I am definitely a multitasker, and learn better when I am doing something with my hands. My kids can tell when I’ve been on the phone because every piece of scrap paper within reach has flowers on it. They also know that if I’m going to sit still and watch a movie (which I do maybe twice a year), then I am going to have a Sudoku or a book or computer solitaire going at the same time.</p>

<p>Back in the dark ages when I was in school, I took a math class that was not engaging. I learned the material on my own, sat in the front row, and wrote letters home. The professor would often call on me to do problems on the board. I would do them (correctly) then return to my letters. Other students would ask me to tutor them. I’m glad the professor didn’t feel obligated to punish me. His attitude was, if I was learning the material, why would he attempt to control how I learned it? The problem the OP posted was that the students were NOT learning the material, so I don’t fault the professor’s attempt to change the situation; I see it as her job to do so.</p>

<p>I also thought her consequences were creative, albeit more of a deterrent for some than for others. </p>

<p>I also agree that noisey keyboards would be a huge distraction to me.</p>

<p>as has been mentioned, there are always kids in a large lecture class that don’t pay attention. Just because there are computers now doesn’t make it a new thing. I don’t take my laptop to class, because I would probably do the same thing.</p>

<p>I did read a book in one of my classes today. Read some International Law in computer “science class”. It’s in quotes because today in lab, we learned how to edit a word file. Don’t blame me, it’s a mandatory class (fulfills my “major computing requirement”)</p>