Experts calls for 10th-grade college entry test

<p>Articles in the Chicago Tribune - “Panel: Revamp U.S. high schools” and Inside Higher Ed - “Seeking a New Skills Revolution” on the Commission on the Skills of the American Workforce new report that calls for higher education reform that would end America’s four-year high school and replace it with a more European-style model. The proposals advocate a sweeping change that would dramatically alter American high schools by allowing students to apply to college once they have passed a board exam, probably at age 16. “The juniors and seniors left in high school would either be teens in remedial classes working to pass the exam or youngsters who chose to stay and pursue challenging academic work so they could attend elite institutions.”</p>

<p>The surge in interest in high school reform during the last several years was “fueled by philanthropist Bill Gates and a National Governors Association summit in February 2005 that drew attention to the need for higher standards to better prepare students for college or work.”</p>

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<p>NYTimes: “Expert Panel Proposes Far-Reaching Redesign of the American Education System”</p>

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<p>and in Business Week: “Lesson Plan for Education Reform”</p>

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<p><a href=“Bloomberg - Are you a robot?”>Bloomberg - Are you a robot?;

<p>The proposal of tests reminds me of the French Baccalaur</p>

<p>Oh, boy. Marc Tucker of the NCEE rears his sneaky head again–Hillary’s good buddy. When she’s President there will be a huge push for this total restructuring of our education system, we can count on it. Conservatives will go nuts. This should be fun! (Edit: only “fun” for me to watch because my kid will be out of the system. Phew. :))</p>

<p>Well. I’m a conservative, and I think the idea has real potential, certainly merits debate.</p>

<p>I do see one big practical problem right away, though. If 16 year olds just started going to community colleges that are organized as they are today, how would they get there? And how would they fill hours between classes? Most 16 year olds do drive, but some don’t, and many more would need to drive if they were attending a community college with only a few hours of class a day. Outside of cities with good public transportation systems, this would be a real issue.</p>

<p>There will always be a fight in this country over the principle of rigidly sorting kids at age sixteen. True, the idea appeals to some conservatives, too, like Chester Finn and people like the members of the Governor’s Round Table, who have business goals at heart. But the idea is anathema to most conservatives, I believe.</p>

<p>HH, why would Hillary push for a complete restructuring of our education system? Would it not be easier for her to borrow a page from her husband’s playbook and IGNORE education altogether (as he did) or dump the entire project into the lap of a commission doomed to fail because of his choice of a non-elected and despised leader (as he did with healthcare)?</p>

<p>Further, for a complete restructuring to be successful, it will require getting to the heart of the problem: the combination of the abject stronghold of the unionized teachers and their refusal to accept performance evaluation and the absence of competitive forces in the K-12 education. </p>

<p>Do we expect Hillary to face the unions? Do we expect Hillary to shed her ultra-liberal views on the role of government? </p>

<p>Hoping that positive changes in education will come from a leftist government is an absolute pipedream. Do nothing and blame others --the liberal typical modus operandi-- won’t yield any results.</p>

<p>From the Washington Post “Schools Report Urges Drastic Change, Higher Salaries”:</p>

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<p>xiggi: You’re not familiar with the famous Marc Tucker “Dear Hillary” letter? When I was researching schools for my son several years ago I found it was all the buzz on conservative internet sites. He’s been in hiding for years, and I think it’s interesting that he is choosing this time to unveil a new “report” on our latest education “crisis.” ;)</p>

<p>Also, we should remember that Hillary is WAY to the left of Bill, in spite of her continuing sham move to the center for broader appeal to win votes. If she has to step on some NEA toes once she’s elected, she’ll do it, and they’ll probably end up following her wherever she goes. A Rodham/Obama administration? Watch out!</p>

<p>Yes Bill is way to the right of Hilary to the point where I wouldn’t be surprised he voted for GW- he is a republician ya know ( plus he brought up Texas several times in a recent speech saying washington ( state) education system should be more like).</p>

<p>The President of Bard has been calling for college entry at age 14-15 for years, and there is a Bard in New York, that takes normal, average, (non-gifted), but motivated kids from NYC public high schools and enrolls them successfully in college classes at that age.</p>

<p>But what this proposal is really about is MONEY - shifting the the burden of education from taxpayers (read: businesses) and onto families (in college tuition), and for the reminder, contracting it out for profit. Neat trick, isn’t it?</p>

<p>Yep, Mini might have hit on it - he always says it better than I can hint ;). perhpas this is why a conservative thinks the idea is intriguing ;).
My points about transportation and filling extra hours are really about money - taking the costs of educating that child during the day and shifting from the schools to the parents, taking the “babysitting” duties from the schools and shifting them to the parents. Won’t work.</p>

<p>HH, I am reasonably familiar with Tucker, and I think we discussed his chameleon acts on CC. He is far from being my favorite person. Funny how that works with people with similarly sounding names (read Tucker/Thacker) laboring at questionable foundations. :)</p>

<p>Well, it is called the “National Center on Education and the Economy”. ;)</p>

<p>This test is going be be bigger than the SAT. I guess we are really going to be teaching to the test.</p>

<p>I read this proposal and I see it as a way to keep the social strata of America the same.</p>

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<p>This caught my attention. The gender implications are huge. If posters commenting on slower blooming boys are correct, not only will high schools be filled with students either needing remedial instruction or students, at the other end of the educational spectrum, aspiring to top colleges, but they will become overwhelmingly male-populated.</p>

<p>The schools, as mentioned above, will become bimodal, with remedial classes at one end and APs at the other. Average students will see their educational needs even more neglected than they are now. </p>

<p>European high schools do not send students to university at 16. What they do in France is to allow 15 year olds to take an exam that will cap their general education AND launch them on a vocational education path. This can mean significantly more instruction in subjects such as math and science and ordinarily takes 3 years.
Students wishing to attend university, however, take another 3 years of academic instruction and must take two end of year exams (Bac 1 and Bac II).</p>

<p>In Britain, early school-leavers ordinarily take what used to be called O-Levels (now called something else, I believe) and university-bound students take A-levels. But 16 year-olds are not expected to start their university careers.</p>

<p>Cangel has hit the nail on the head. This proposal is DOA! Consider the social ramifications: High school isn’t just an educational tool - it’s part of the social fabric of most communities. Where are the Texas high school football teams going to come from? Ya think loosing hordes of 16-18 years olds onto the streets won’t affect the crime rate? Or maybe we’ll just put them to work, right? Right. At this point we’re still working on ways to keep the late teen/early 20’s group occupied and out of trouble until enough of them are ready to become responsible members of society. Move the parole date up two years? I don’t think so.</p>

<p>And all those 16-year-olds heading off to “party hearty” at a residential college??? :eek: I don’t think so!</p>