I have a problem with dictating how private schools can/cannot admit students.
Why assume donors will only donate to get their kids into the college? MIT and Caltech are still need blind and meet 100% of need, the last time I checked.
Stanford U’s response below:
https://quadblog.stanford.edu/2019/03/12/the-sailing-case-and-our-resolve/
From what I’ve read, there were some who knew exactly what was going on, participated in the deception, and even gloated about cheating the system. However, as I’ve read even more about the individual cases and surrounding circumstances, some of the parents clearly went to great lengths to hide what they did from their kids.
It’s THOSE kids I feel sorry for. It doesn’t mean I believe they deserve to stay, but I’m not willing to line them all up in front of a firing squad because of the sins of their parents, and as a human being, I have empathy for them. They are headline news, and it’s their parents’ fault. They were deceived by the people they should be able to trust most in this world. I wouldn’t be surprised if some are getting death threats. In some cases, both parents may end up doing prison time. How do they deal with that, and what do they do now? There are some people who will never believe they didn’t know. How deep will the family wounds be, and how do they heal them - if ever? It’s a sad situation on many levels.
TatinG - I believe Madonna’s daughter Lourdes went to the U of Michigan.
@TatinG Laila Ali went to Santa Monica Community College. I’m sure there are more!
And then here are the celebs who pay for kids to go to college:
LeBron James
Nikki Minaj
Beyonce
Chrissy Teigan
Tyrese Gibson
Taylor Swift
Rhianna
Eddie Redmayne
Jay Z
and the list goes on…Etc
this. the most logical comment i’ve read on the subject. well said!
@PurpleTitan is correct about a lot of things IMHO. Caltech is as close to elite meritocracy as there is. They don’t cap the percentage of asians like the Ivy does. MIT may be next but even MIT allows coaches to “pull” kids from the final admissions cut. (admittedly should be a near typical MIT student) I think America is waking up to the perpetual B.S. about a lot of things in the US. Supposedly investment banks only recruit from the top 5 Ivy schools, Med schools will choose an Ivy league kid over some random small unknown state school with same MCAT scores/GPA etc… The fact that the most commonly assigned grade at Harvard is an A and the average graduating GPA is like a 3.7 says a lot. These schools are gateway schools to aristocracy and not necessarily places of extreme learning. Support your local state public universities every chance you get. IF you are unhooked white/asian don’t apply to super elite schools without perfect adjacent test scores.
People who gave a college a couple of million for a building or program also didn’t include having their kids’ SAT/ACT scores and athletic prowess faked. That’s a pretty significant difference.
I think this thread will break CC?
Joe Montana’s two sons both played college football. One played at Notre Dame, Pasadena City (a community college), Notre Dame, and Montana. The other played at Washington, Mount San Antonio (a community college), and Tulane.
Michael Jordan’s two sons both played college basketball. One played at UIUC and UCF, while the other played at UCF and UNC Greensboro.
Of course, professional athlete scions who follow their parents in sport may have very different reasons for choosing their colleges compared to scions of other kinds of wealthy people or celebrities.
From the research I have done, this doesn’t seem to be the case. Do you have support for this?
@Leigh22 Madonna was an excellent student in high school and got a Dance scholarship to U Michigan. Yes, her daughter also attended.
Colleges with very rigorous core or general education requirements (including Caltech) may be less attractive to those who want to cheat their way in, since there would be no escaping difficult course work that academically less strong students may not be able to earn even a “gentleman’s C” grade in.
This is untrue.
The more accurate answer is that investment banks recruit at least 20 schools for their investment banking positions: The Ivies, their equivalents, and the top LACs. There are certainly some I have missed.
Ad while it is fashionable to bash investment banks for this, it makes little sense for them to cast a very wide net given that they only need perhaps a thousand positions a year across the entire industry. Like every employer, they restrict their search to the places that are the most fertile ground for what they are looking for.
Note that tech is very different because it needs probably 50x as many new employees each year. The tech companies couldn’t restrict themselves to the elite tech schools even if they wanted to.
this case highlights the fraudulent use of backdoor hooks to gain admission.
- fake athletic recruits.. have lower academic standards
- fake ethnicity.. whites, blacks,,hispanics, and native americans have lower academic standards compared to Asians
but also how to cheat the actual system itself with:
- fake SAT scores (proctor corrects the clients answers)
- fake academic credentials (hired folks to take online courses for clients)
should universities be in the business of vetting fraud?
It’s hard enough in life doing the right /correct things. You have to be really creative to do the wrong things. I still can’t get over transposing your kids head onto someone else’s body… It’s so sad it’s funny.
Rick Singer’s audition tape (the guy was hoping to land a reality show…): https://www.tmz.com/2019/03/13/william-rick-singer-ringleader-reality-show-audition-college-bribery/
So much of our everyday lives is based on the simple assumption that people are generally honest. While I still think this is the case, it’s amazing at the criminal corruption that is being uncovered in this thread. But the good news (if any) is that this level of corruption should be addressable. Cheating on SAT/ACT can be minimized (many good suggestions in this thread), if physicians are supplying false records for time extensions it seems that they could be easily identified and charged (against the law, no?), admissions for athletes should require a higher level of validation. Throughout the system, whenever a single person makes a call (coach, test proctors, etc)l, that person is a potential point for compromise - require multiple people at each step.
Any student that is provided an edge by a hook (athlete, math award winner, etc) should have that hook validated.
Lori Loughlin should have remembered this episode of Full House:
https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Lori-Loughlin-once-played-a-TV-character-13684743.php
I guess Fuller House will be put on hiatus for the time being.