This thread will definitely break CC 
… This is bread and butter for parents here and when we see others doing illegal and questionable things and get caught … sweet justice … I still think we just touched the tip of the iceberg … These adcoms my opinion are corrupt to the core. They behave like gods and goddesses for elite school and need to come to reality!
Lots of famous people have kids that went to “elite schools.” Most probably got in as competitive applicants . The celebrity status or wealth of their parents probably didn’t hurt, but that is very different than outright fraud, as evidenced in these recent examples coming out.
Katie Couric’s kids went to Yale and Stanford, Kathie Lee Gifford’s kids both went to USC, Rob Lowe’s sons went to Duke and Stanford, Obama’s daughter is of course at Harvard. There are tons of other examples out there. Rob Lowe and one of his sons have commented on this scandal. https://news.yahoo.com/rob-lowe-seemingly-shades-college-230749574.html
This is not too far from the truth. An IB, as a whole, certainly recruits from more schools, but within the IB, some most sought-after departments/groups are much more narrowly focused. If you take a look at the people who are already there, they all graduated from a few schools that start with those familiar initials. When the time comes to hire, there’s a built-in bias for graduates who came from the same schools.
She seems to think she gets her own personal deans.
Re: Madonna’s kid. U Mich is a prestigious school. IMO. Looking for those going to non prestige places.
"As a freshman in college, I believe I would have benefited greatly if my high school had taught an economics course – which should have been mandatory for all students to take before graduating – on best methods and techniques of how can the nation’s lower and middle classes best navigate through all of the corruption that appears to be so deeply and systematically embedded in arguably every aspect of the American way of life from corporate America to every level of our government to the college admissions processes, and how to mitigate the damage it causes as it undeniably caters to the privileged upper classes of wealth.
Personally, I don’t believe a mathematical algorithm can be created for this “economic” problem."
@KES2022…very well said!
Hopefully the new “Social Mobility Index” introduced in US News Rankings will help achieve similar opportunity for ALL economic classes in the very near future!
Regardless of race, and whether you are rich, middle income, or poor…EVERYONE graduates at similar high rates at my Alma Mater of UC Riverside (biggest 2019 US News Rank jump in the nation). Proud that they have done things the right way without gaming the system and remaining scandal free!
Most of the other UC Schools score very high on the Social Mobilty Index as well. Hopefully, more parity will be achieved in the future as well as mitigating the damage mentioned above!
In fact, all UC Schools so far are free from the above scandal (except UCLA Men’s Soccer Coach Jorge Salcedo) as of this writing with private colleges the main offenders.
IOW I wager we will never hear of a kid of a well known actor, politician, singer etc say "I applied broadly but my with my grades and scores I could not get into a prestigious school, so I am going to Corn Country State.
And for those of us who have ever purchased anything from the Mossimo brand at Target, we helped Lori Loughlin & her husband amass their wealth with which they could attempt to game the system!
This is the one that really crack me up. I find this quite hilarious!
Devin Sloane - In order to get his son into USC as a water polo recruit, he apparently had his son photoshopped onto photos of actual water polo-players.
@bronze2, much tougher to fake/bribe your way to an MD, through residency match, etc. Not that we don’t have sheer incompetence in the medical system. We have plenty already.
Well, not for a while. Mossimo has been owned by Iconix for many years.
The Mossimo/Loughlin case is a bit odd. They apparently were not aware that celebrity plus $500k donation would get their daughter in 90% of the time. Probably no need to do something illegal and stupid. They are probably so busy that they are out of loop in college admissions scene.
Warren Buffett has a daughter who attended University of Nebraska, whose sports mascot is Cornhuskers.
Have any of the universities stated whether the affected students will be expelled? I’d be interested to know that
Actually this thread has slowed a bit as Facebook has been down since noon and folks who use Facebook to login here haven’t been able to get in. Once they’re back, kaboom!
Makes Sense…
Thing is. Odds are many schools are going to look back in-house and quickly determine what athletic areas if any might have been compromised. However there will undoubtably be many programs and schools compromised. Discovering the academic cheats will likely take more time as the facts of the investigation become more clear. So I’m guessing the decisions there will likely look to Claw Back once Proof is Beyond doubt.
The many schools likely have a no cheating policy so anyone discovered {( as the feds dig deeper into the records ) the sources are going to come clean as much as possible to reduce their sentencing } having cheated past or present should be at the high risk of expulsion or recision of their acceptance.
I have little sympathy for the kids who benefited from illegal and immoral acts… My daughter knows if I breath in any given direction so there is no way I could pull off any one of these schemes without her knowing it was wrong.
I call it common sense and responsibility. Rule as 95% of these kids are likely deserving of expulsion on multiple grounds. The false premises of acceptance into the institution. The unfair gain over all other applicants. The lack of moral or ethical conduct. Many schools espouse how they admit based on merit ( Holistic ) and certainly not fraudulent cheating. The schools need to hold these kids to the strictest consequences for their actions given the nature of this case of being the biggest scam ever investigated covering entry into colleges under false pretenses.
The actions of the parent and/or the child is equally reprehensible knowing or unwittingly. Good Children have been displaced by these severe actions and the consequences should be as stringent to deter future cheats. My daughter gets angry if someone cheats on an individual small scale. Our kids need to know these institutions will take actions that cover the actions of all those involved or who benefited from the illegal and unethical actions of others.
No excuses. You commit a crime or benefit from someone else’s illegal actions those benefits need to go back to those who are deserving. The kids who got into these elite colleges are not the victims. They are mostly all adults. Shame on their parents for putting them on a path of unethical and illegal conduct. So put the parents in jail with fines and take away the benefit from the adult kiddies that is rightfully someone else’s honor.
@ucbalumnus, you can bribe your way in to a bank, though you better bring in a lot of business (like the princelings in China). Hard to see how the economics work for a MBB.
Remember that the bribes have to make economic sense to work. Also remember that unlike Stanford/Yale, unless your sheer presence brings in business, staying in is as or more difficult than getting in in MBB and IB.
On the disability scam part of the scandal:
“When people fraudulently obtain disability accommodations, it makes it harder for those with legitimate needs like me to get the accommodations we need,” Willison said, adding:
“Those who are responsible need to be prosecuted, but we must be careful not to turn abusive behavior by the rich and powerful into an excuse to persecute everyday kids with disabilities and their families who need accommodations for standardized testing.”
https://themighty.com/2019/03/college-admissions-scandal-disability/
Stanford’s statement https://quadblog.stanford.edu/2019/03/12/the-sailing-case-and-our-resolve/
@anon145, @hebegebe, IB’s these days also recruit at the better undergrad B-school (many public’s). Much more public flagship representation in IB incoming analyst classes, in fact.
Some may remember Senator Bill Frist son got into Princeton and it was a huge story since he wasn’t qualified. For that year school, he was attending did not publish everyone stats (SAT scores/GPA etc.) to hide his #s lol … this admission for rich and famous is a big joke!