Btw: regarding whether the kid knows their score got altered, they may not know their score was altered, but they DO know that they applied for extra time when they never had been diagnosed with a learning disability before. That alone is highly unethical.
@“Cardinal Fang” - but presumably your kid understands why he was entitled to get extra time on the exam. Part of the scam is that these kids first had to apply for extra time by going to the phony psychologist. They know they got extra time that they didn’t deserve.
@BSL1199 Yes, I thought that was strange.
USC has announced they will deny admission to anybody who applied through this side-door. I think it’s sad because, in most cases, I do believe the kids were victims of their parents.
What happens to the kids who are denied or expelled? How eager will any other school be to take them? Even a low ranked college or university can’t possibly want that kind of press. I think these kids will be radioactive for a while and that is a heavy burden to bear. What a waste - families torn apart, kids with a future in taters and for nothing. All of these kids could easily have gone to a fine school through the usual, legal doors.
@maya54 in post #1182 - you mention that the adcoms make a big difference in this case. Can you explain what you mean? thanks!
Singer’s Rolodex??
A future in taters, LOL. #1204
I looked up OliviaJade on Instagram and discovered that my D had been following her before the scandal. She wasn’t even in CA during the first week of her freshman year at USC, she was conducting her influencer biz in Fiji.
@momo2x2018 I agree with you that most kids were victims of over zealous parents.
However, I think there may be some students who knew or should have known that their 35 on ACT or 1580 SAT may not be based on their own doing. I think these students with some mea culpa currently admitted or in college as a result of outright bribery should have their admission revoked. Whether or not they consciously participated, their presence at college is based on fraud — and the seats they’re filling could be taken by other students with legitimate credentials.
They could enroll at open admission community colleges, build up enough of a passing record there, and then transfer to less selective stats-only-admission colleges. Although even stats-only admissions could be problematic if the student’s academic stats (test scores and/or grades) are tainted by cheating.
Lori Loughlin released on $1,000,000 bond.
Accused murderers, rapists, bank robbers, car jackers, pedophiles, and vehicular homicide drivers get out on bail for a fraction.
Yes, the side door scam is a crime. Yes, they had an edge. Yes our students worked their tails off playing 365 24/7 Sports and took every AP class possible. And yes, spots for other worthy students were stolen.
But a million dollar bail? No. Not when violent criminals and murderers get out for a 100K. Or 10K.
Some of these students are past community college level. The older sister of Olivia Jade is a junior or senior.
I bet they’ll just fade away for a while if they are excused from USC and do ‘career development.’
I’m beginning to feel sorry for the water polo coach. I think he might have been pressured into granting the 4 spots on the teams to please the asst athletic director who got big buck and all he got was $250k for the program, no money for himself. I can see him being told to ‘just put their names on the list’ and not given a choice. Just speculation on my part, but I don’t see why he would do it to get money for the team. USC has plenty of money for athletics.
However, if the colleges that they want to transfer to will only take them if they are eligible to re-enroll at their current or most recent college, then they do need to do community college to get that before transferring somewhere else.
@northwesty and @ucbalumnus, yep, development admits are roughly 5% of the class (roughly 100 at an average-sized Ivy/equivalent) starting at half a mil (that would probably only be enough to tip an average excellent kid in over the many other average excellent kids; good 7 figures probably required to get a true dummy in). Say the average is low 7 figures; 1-2M. Development admits would net $150M, say. At $50K school grant per fin aid kid per year (the rest made up with Pell, loans, expected summer earnings, work-study), that’s enough to fund 750 out of a class of 2000 for 4 years, or the majority of kids who require fin aid.
^ @twoinanddone - I don’t feel sorry for him at all. According to the news articles, Springer paid for his son’s private school tuition at Loyola High School in Los Angeles - and that is an expensive school. That is certainly “getting money for himself”.
@gallentjill People hiring others – though not necessarily proctors --to take their SATs isn’t new, just last year there was a scandal in the Northeast about it. Bribing coaches isn’t new either, although I do have to say that bribing coaches to tip non-existing athletes is very creative. And if you haven’t heard about backdoor entries into the Ivies, well, you haven’t heard much about the Ivies. Several politicians we could name got in only thanks to daddy’s money. And that’s what Laurie whats her name did, except though less traditional channels. And lest you think it stops with admissions… my husband was high in the administration of an elite LAC. He came from a public university and was shocked to see a list being circulated among the college’s administrative staff listing names of students who couldn’t be flunked out.
I wish the focus wasn’t so I had on the one actress’s daughter. She might think her life is now over and try to end it
So much on… weird typing
“@maya54 in post #1182 - you mention that the adcoms make a big difference in this case. Can you explain what you mean? thanks!”
My point was this. There are some people commenting that the university admission people must have known about the cheating, as though that makes this whole thing worse and the universities will be in trouble. These people don’t seem to understand that the criminal case is based on the university and its admission people being hoodwinked, i.e., defrauded. If the people admitting these students knew of the bribes and cheating and chose to admit the students anyway then no fraud has taken place ( unless these people were themselves getting a cut of the bribe) But if they simply knew about it and allowed it then their knowkedge counteracts any claim of fraud and the parents will walk. I personally don’t think that’s what occurred but pointing out that these commenters don’t seem to understand the consequences of their theory.
@busyparent I absolutely agree with you. I think it’s bad enough the eyes of the world are on these families, without destroying the kids in the process.
@maya54 – which is probably why they made a point at the press conference of saying, the universities were victimized in this scheme.