The biggest college news in our days was when Brook Shield got into Princeton. She said, " a college adviser told her not to even apply to the school given her SAT scores were not good enough and she had not taken enough advanced placement courses."
Let me say this again in a fast moving thread. If adcoms were aware and not pocketing money themselves the UNIVERSITY WAS NOT DEFRAUDED AND THE FEDERAL CASE FALLS APART.
Not sure if people don’t understand the consequence of their insistence that Adcoms knew or know and think the case is meritless
Stanford makes plenty of money off athletics.
@3puppies said
What!!! If your kid would have gotten in anyway, it’s okay to lie and cheat for the extra insurance? I’m sorry, just…no. Parents have to get the message that if they cheat, their “innocent” children will pay the price.
@goodjob said:
We “all” do this? Sorry, no, we do not “all” do this.
@scholarme No, I think it is standard operating procedure. They did the same to that guy Roger Stone for lying to the Feds. If they were really playing to the cameras, they would have notified CNN ahead of time like they did with Stone.
I’m just here to give you all this lovely quote from The New Yorker:
“The recent college admissions scandal is significant because it makes concrete the casual corruption that is usually obscured by layers of secrecy and legal trickery.”
“The College Admissions Scandal and the Banality of Scamming” The New Yorker
You know, it’s things like this that give Rich People a bad name.
Did someone pay to get into Loyola HS? I guess it can’t surprise anyone that this kind of thing might go on in elite high school admissions?
We all knew that people were bribing coaches and photo-shoping heads onto athletes? We all knew that you could buy a protor to literally bubble in the correct answers? I confess, I knew nothing of the kind. So, I really am shocked by all this. I assumed that wealthy families had the money and connections to grease the wheels, but I had no idea about anything on this scale.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-usc-culture-college-admissions-scandal-20190313-story.html
Article on all the issues with USC… I wonder if US news will punish it in the rankings… half the students went to USC…
@sushiritto. That’s so funny since in our family it goes “if you don’t do anything wrong then you can’t get caught.”
@basil1 “Did someone pay to get into Loyola HS?”
Loyola HS is not elite
@momo2x2018 The Loyola HS in Los Angeles isn’t elite? I guess the “elite” is in the eye of the beholder.
The categories of “good names” left has unfortunately dwindled, to but a small handful.
Easier to list the groups that still seem to be held in good esteem. Pretty much every other has a scandal or two.
Recently added to the “losing their good names” list in just the last few days — Sailing, tennis, crew, Ivy League soccer and water polo coaches. B list celebrities. Social good Impact fund founders. Helicopter parents. Airplane manufacturers.
But it’s only Wednesday. Still plenty of time this week for many more to further erase their good names.
Still ok as far as I know. Nuns, kids, monks, any unknown native civilizations untouched by modern society.
So the first coach to get caught in April 2018 was trying to cut Singer out of the deal. Gee, you can’t trust a cheater. Go figure .
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/us/cooperating-witnesses-college-admissions-scheme/index.html
Meredith, a Yale womens’ soccer coach, had been in cahoots with Singer since 2015.
@basil1 Maybe so. I would not consider Loyola elite. Harvard Westlake, Brentwood, Crossroads, Windward, Marlborough, and maybe Buckley & Archer, I would consider those elite. That said, Loyola is a very good and excellent school.
@oldfort, I think there are a few reasons that this has struck the public consciousness. In addition to B-list celebrities, American society has imbued the sorting process of schools with a kind of mythic, meritocratic power. In another thread asking whether parents help too much, many posters are irate with parents helping as that skews the results from some notion of true fairness/meritocracy. As a parent of a brilliant kid with LDs as well as a student at three of HYPMS and a prof at one, I have been keenly aware of the imperfections of the sorting process. Getting into an elite college means, at the very least, showing no weaknesses, which was a tall order from my son with prodigious strengths and equally prodigious weaknesses but who was far brighter than the typical top-of-the-HS-class kid. Similarly, I know several kids who have gotten into Harvard’s from the Z-list or who have gotten into prestigious prep schools and Ivies because of famous parents (not development cases, just parents who are well-known). In most of the cases, the kids are ambitious, hard-working and capable of the work but would not have gotten in on their own. As an alumni interviewer, I interviewed kids from public and private schools in my area. One clear recollection: kids from some of the private schools were really extremely well-crafted candidates – it just seemed too manufactured to me. They were making guesses as to what would tick the boxes for Ivy Adcoms.
So some of the outrage is because people who have been so invested in the mythical fairness of the sorting process recognizing that the sorting process was corrupted. I suspect it reflects some belated understanding that the deviation from the “fair” and “meritocratic” sorting process was probably never completely fair nor meritocratic.
@4gsmom - even though Huffman/Macy daughter was auditioning for BFAs, she’d need a high score to get an audition at UCLA.
Loyola HS is on the list as Singer’s ‘charity’ was paying for the ‘SC water polo coach’s kids’ tuition.
I have no idea if Loyola HS is “elite” or not but I did read in the indictment that the payments it received from Singer’s “foundation” were for a USC coach’s son’s tuition.