@milee30 Doesn’t that money making machine fund a whole lot of financial aid for low income families?
See the last “First Family” (Obama) as another example. Amazing that being the child of a President gets you into Harvard or Stanford (Clinton). By the way, my name on this site is a similar copy of a tool dad from last fall when my last son was applying to a decent state school not part of this crap.
So the end justifies the means?
@gallentjill Only footbal and men’s basketball (barely) make money for USC. All other programs lose money for the school. Title 9 forces the schools to have many of the athletic programs for women.
Most of the corruption will exist in women’s team sports because you can easily “hide” less skilled players on the bench while giving her a fake admit. If you look thru many of the private colleges and ivies (low ranking sport schools with hi rank academics) you will see enormous amounts of "fake female athletes with dubious athletic resume “paying” their way into the schools which they would normally not get in. These “side door” admission process has been going on for a long time and will continue because it is harder to identify and criminalize selection criteria of these “marginal athletes.”
No for most athletic departments they barely break even or are in the hole. A few actually make money for the school, and USC may be among them with other big name athletic schools (mostly public universities like UT, OSU, etc.). I doubt Stanford athletics or any Ivy League makes money. What they do get out of it is free marketing and a much bigger donor base.
I think this thread has moved from bash the cheaters and criminals to bashing anyone who has advanced up the economic ladder.
Why are we sending our children to all the fine schools out there?
To do worse than us?
The celebrities are a fraction of the school universe. The billionaires even less.
I don’t think every two parent household with a combined 300k income is the enemy here. They pay a lot in taxes and full freight for colleges. There are a lot of regular folks in this category. Small business owners etc. a captain who fly’s for fedex makes 300k alone. And not every wealthier type American is from generational wealth.
The hate should be directed at the right people. Cheaters.
Perhaps development level, big donors buying a spot. And even they are helping to provide resources for those looking for a chance at their own dream. There’s no such thing as a free lunch or education. Even if it were to be called “free” someone is paying.
But in most cases of legacies, the student has to be fully or pretty close to qualified. Heck, even Harvard rejects 70 percent of the legacies each year. And if you think all legacies are rich, that’s uninformed.
Aren’t we hoping our kids have economic opportunity? If they go to med school or become a tenured prof they are automatically lumped into the entitled pile? Now they are the entitled rich and our own grandkids would then naturally be suspect for their privilege?
I’ve posted it on other threads relating to investment banking. The top ten schools account for less than 30 percent of all recruits. And no school represents more than 4 percent at any firm. And there are regional boutiques that source from a whole different group.
And to say that an entire industry is designed to shut down plants and steal people’s life savings is woefully uniformed. Without those clients and those businesses there’s no income, they want the clients and businesses to do great things. Simply, because it pays better over time.
There’s no money in bankrupting companies and clients over the long haul. Sure that can happen. Do you know how many businesses have been saved by these same people? How many municipalities have been helped from the brink of bankruptcy by these same people. If it weren’t for these so called terrible people and their bankers the smart phone in your hand wouldn’t exist.
Sure there are greedy idiots and complete frauds. Like madoff. First off he wasn’t a banker. He was a fraud. Not a professional. Like doctors and clergy who molest people. They don’t represent the vast majority of the professionals in those worlds.
And most people like to have a car or home or education. If you don’t have all the money to obtain these who do we ask to help with the the money, based on a promise that we will pay them back? Banks. And the money used for the car and the home then helps to pay the companies that employ millions of our neighbors.
Nothing is perfect and improvements can be made. But the anger and hatred is coming from another place.
Please can we focus on solutions without maligning broad swaths of good honest people.
It seems like misplaced anger coming out against the wrong enemy.
PS I will put up with a few bad apples to allow for those with special needs to get testing accommodations. We don’t get rid of all handicap spaces because some people abuse the placards and accommodations.
@ShanFerg3
If you don’t think adcom doesn’t know about this cheating then I have a bridge to sell you. Please wait until more names comes out. Trust me when you have FBI comes knocking… you become a “Singer” (no pun intended) of all your sins and other who helped you… This just a 2nd day… we have a long way to go. BTW FBI working on this case for 2 years and 200 agents and we know for sure they are not twiddling their fingers… FBI raid on Lori is priceless… please watch it on YouTube…?
“I have covered college sports more or less my entire career. but I never thought I’d live long enough to see a recruiting scandal that involved the admission of athletes who couldn’t play.”
This is not a unique situation for the Ivy League when an under-qualified athlete is admitted for non-athletic reason - to boost the team’s Academic Index, for example.
well said @privatebanker
I am just surprised that this is hitting the news now. They found 50 people involved in the scandal out of ~2 million college applicants. Of course, there are probably more violators they didn’t find. At the same time, I am sure it has been going on for a long time. So why now? This news is overshadowing a lot of other news. I am kind of yawning on this one relative to other news.
The threads that were started elsewhere (eg parents forum some of the college pages, etc) were merged here and/or deleted to eliminate duplication as this thread was, I believe, the first one started when the news broke.
So far there has been no report that adcomms were aware of this cheating scandal. Lets not throw them under the bus without evidence that any are complicit.
When your job is admissions you should be aware, ignorance of what is going on is no excuse. Really how many times have we heard people say that they weren’t aware (CEO’s, University presidents, etc). If you have the authority then you are responsible. Period. How many times do you want to hear that" I didn’t know they were (cheating, raping, molesting, on and on it goes)" from those in leadership positions.
@oldfort … you can ignore… we will be talking and taking actions until we fix this corrupt system … if not fix then at least give a good sunlight
I don’t believe any adcoms have been indicted. Coaches, yes. Parents, definitely. Adcoms, no.
@oldfort, actually, I think the real reason this story got so much traction is not because its accused did terribly egregious things (things we all knew went on) but because it features B-list celebrities who star/red in show called “Desperate Housewives” and “Shameless” :))
@oldfort The FBI said there were many more indictments to come.
If you can bribe a college coach, you can bribe an admissions counselor. There’s no evidence that happened in this scandal, but surely it happens elsewhere. And it may not be a unqualified kid. It could very well be for an ‘average excellent’ applicant, whose parents have enough money to grease the palm of an admissions guy to seal the deal, but not enough money to warrant a visit to the development office.
We are so naive to think these athletic coaches don’t talk to adcoms at all… at the end adcoms says yes or nay…
I think the FBI’s guns drawn raid on them was ridiculous and irresponsible actually. It’s bribery and fraud, not mob activity or human trafficking. Makes me think the FBI was playing to the cameras.
@scholarme I want everyone who is doing wrong thing to have a fear of God and FBI helps create fear so it won’t happen again… I am all for it…