true HYP is not binding but the assumption is that if you get into HYP you will probably end up there or one of the other 2 Also, the IVYs share their ED and Non binding lists with each other. Did you know that?
@richardsenic Yes. Most of us do.
The radio show 1A did a segment on this scandal and college admissions in general:
https://the1a.org/shows/2019-03-14/college-admissions-bribery
“Gigi and Olivia Jade do not represent the typical student at USC.”
Just having some fun @Marcie123. : )
I think most people on here understand that it is not “typical” at USC or anywhere else on the planet to be an 18 year old Instagram star and swimsuit model with a billionaire father and a $100 million yacht.
Nice to dream though. Fight On!!
@bamamom2021 Thanks for the inside insight into what is happenening re an increase in parents seeking time accommodations. I had no idea that was happening.
I have an older D with dyslexia who was id’d in 2nd grade (via teacher request for testing). Getting accommodations was a long arduous process and I assumed it was similar for all. We had to show use of LS resources from early age—or that is what our LS director said and she wrote the report (supplemented by the outside testing which costs an arm and leg and has to be repeated every few years). I also have a younger S w/o dyslexia and I cried when I saw how easy it was for him to learn to read and spell. Since I’d only seen my older D learn, I had no idea it was so easy for other kids.
Anyhow back to the ‘epidemic’ of requests for extra time on standardized tests. I think parents rightly see these tests as a gatekeeper that has reached extreme importance. For example, entrance rates for state flagships (like UCs) is diving and no longer is entrance assured for strong students, students for whom 25-30 yrs ago (when parents were 18) entrance would have been a shoe in. I understand the motivation. So much rides on these standardized tests.
I think timed tests are appropriate as one of many factors in college admissions. In the “real world” getting assignments, tasks, projects etc. done quickly and accurately is a huge asset. For example, in public accounting being able to complete a tax return in say 10 hours versus 15 hours means more tax returns processed and more fees and profitability for the firm. This is how the business world operates.
In addition, the HS students I know who have scored in the top 1% on the ACT/SAT are also generally the kids who are extremely bright and learn things quickly. There is a correlation between kids who do well on national standardized timed tests and the ability to handle the rigors of college. Again, just one of many data sets but let’s not fool ourselves that timed tests are meaningless.
When I was discussing my thoughts on college strategy with my high school son in the car, my then 4th grader son chimed in: “I thought we are supposed to learn in college, so why do we need to get all these high scores to go to college?”
Thanks @4kids4us
I see recurring donations to NYU but I haven’t yet seen them named. I guess that’s one of the other shoes still to drop.
@Marcie123 exactly, I think students like Gigi are more the exception and not the rule.
Quite a few kids from my D and S’s school attend USC and most of them are affluent. But, it’s more affluent like they live in a very nice house and mom and dad can pay for USC no problem, but there is no yacht, no private jet. Or mom and dad can help pay for USC…
@richardsenic: Not all Ivys have ED. However, in my very limited experience, a recruited athlete is required to apply ED to schools who have ED. That includes schools beyond the Ivys. But recruited athletes, scholarship athletes, don’t fill the whole team at schools with scholarships. There is need for other not recruited/scholarship athletes on the team.Those kids might also get a coach sponsoring their application. I am not sure on that, but it probably depends on the school. I would think that all athletes are required to apply in the early rounds at any school, however.
The more I think of it, the ultra wealthy who donate buildings to college campuses and expect that donation to ease their kids’ admission to the school, won’t be fazed at all by losing the tax deduction. But a bill eliminating the deduction in those circumstances would be a good start.
Where is my pitchfork and torch?
OMG! This thread - I went to bed, and now look!
Two Stanford students are suing USC and a few schools as they weren’t given a fair chance to get in… seriously? Stanford was the safety school?
For the Ivy League schools, they are not “required,” but they are strongly encourage to apply early.
Yes, I am aware.
Actually, I don’t want to stop wealthy people from donating the “right” way. How will making donations harder prevent this kind of cheating? I can’t endow a school but I’m glad that other people can. I appreciate that my kids will be benefiting from gifts given by others. They will be using the facilities, studying in the buildings and having their tuitions reduced. If that means that a few marginally qualified kids are admitted, so be it. Its the price of doing business.
On the other hand, this kind of fraud which is illegal and benefits no one at all is sickening.
College bribery scandal: Cornell alum placed on leave at law firm after faking daughter’s disability
https://www.pennlive.com/nation-world/2019/03/college-bribery-scandal-cornell-alum-placed-on-leave-at-law-firm-after-faking-daughters-disability.html?fbclid=IwAR1omwGramPONoq_0FjzqiOWpPjo6dvJsWXeOQgAvTgoZEcGUiTnWO4UsYE
“The scheme first required Caplan’s daughter “to be stupid” on a psychologist evaluation to receive extra test time. She scored a 22 out of a possible 36 on the ACT practice test; Caplan allegedly asked Singer to make sure she scored 32, but no higher.”
@3scoutsmom I believe the boy is at another LA school
Caplan should be disbarred.
A couple of things to add to the conversation. I’ve read a lot of disparaging comments and name-calling of USC. At this point, all indications are that USC is a victim in this. Let’s not victimize the honest students, families and administration at a school because they were the primary target institution of a schemer who operated in S. California and developed relationships at the school to further his plan.
And while we have a right to feel absolutely disgusted and horrified by this scam, the authorities will need time to wade through the hundreds of clients of Singer’s two businesses. Listing names ^, not to mention photographs of potentially innocent clients is not in anyone’s best interest. My friends interviewed this guy for their daughter. They had absolutely no idea he was engaged in illegal activity. There must be others who hired him innocently. I have no doubt that this scandal will unveil many more cheaters, but we don’t want to falsely accuse those who were innocent either.