Ferguson Part Deux - No charges to be filed!

<p>I don’t know if this really belongs in this thread, but I found this factoid interesting, in light of the Ferguson case: did you know that the killing of police officers is at an all-time low (in 2013, 27 police officers were killed), but killing by police is at a 20-year high (police fatally shot 461 people in 2013)?</p>

<p>I thought this was particularly strange (and disturbing): “Police have killed more people in Utah since 2010 than gangs or drug dealers.”</p>

<p><a href=“Killing of Police Officers Down for Second Year”>Killing of Police Officers Down for Second Year; </p>

<p><a href=“Violence by Americans Is Down, Unless Those Americans Happen to Be Police Officers”>http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/13/violence-by-americans-is-down-unless-tho&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Of course police are allowed to use deadly force (and justifiably so) and it’s fantastic that the killing of police officers has decreased so much. But there’s still something a little disconcerting about the rise of assaults by officers.</p>

<p>@scout59. I think it does belong here. Because I just don’t think the ferguson thing is about wilson and brown. I think it is about a bigger problem we are facing. JMO</p>

<p>I’m kind of surprised about Utah. </p>

<p>However not all cops are bad. There are a lot of good policemen and women. I would not want my kids to become police officers. It’s a dangerous way to make a living.</p>

<p>“Put yourself in the cops shoes. They get shot at at traffic stops. They expect the worst going up to every car because it is unpredictable for them. And if anyone makes a strange move in the car they will pull out the gun even if the driver or passengers are white.”</p>

<p>Strange move??? The cop asked to see his license and registration. Where do you keep your registration? Mine is in my glove compartment and I bet 99.9% of people keep their registration in their glove compartment, too. </p>

<p>that’s what I thought, too @emilybee. I thought if you ask for registration, what do you think someone is going to do? My insurance card and registration are in the glovebox. Where else do people keep it?</p>

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<p>I hate that folks are looting, its inexcusable, and its making folks who may have been sympathetic to your cause unsympathetic. Having said that, @pizzagirl, not sure what channels you surf, but there have been countless community leaders calling for calm, that has been the message since the protests began in August. By in large, the protests have been peaceful until grand jury decision. Unfortunately, a lot of the looters arent even Ferguson residents, they are outside agitators.</p>

<p>If the grand jury hadn’t been a sham ( since when does a defendant testify at a grand jury preceding and with no cross examination to boot?!?!? ) there would likely have not been the protests we are seeing all over the country. It is literally almost impossible for a prosecutor not to get an indictment from a grand jury.</p>

<p><a href=“Extremely rare for grand jury not to return indictment, statistics show”>Extremely rare for grand jury not to return indictment, statistics show;

<p>I don’t know how anyone can say with a straight face that black people in this country are not treated differently by the police and the justice system. </p>

<p>From a friends page, hopefully it will help some feel why we feel the way we do. This is really not about Michael Brown, its bigger than that…</p>

<p>Why are black people so angry?</p>

<p>Last night, I decided not to turn on the television and to shut off social media. I literally put headphones on a listened to an audiobook until I fell asleep. I have long given up on cable news and the only thing that would’ve been surprising was if they actually did decide to indict Officer Wilson. Since, I was 99% certain that wasn’t going to happen, like a 2-year old I put my hands up to my ears to shut out all the noise. Once I did wake up, I saw the news alerts and read my Facebook feed and noted like many that many of my black friends posted their feelings and thoughts and almost none (I counted 4) of my non-Black friends posted anything about the case at all. One of those 4 was about how irresponsible the looters were being. I decided that my contribution to social media would be to answer, from my perspective, why I believe why Black Americans are angry and why some would choose to express that anger through violence and looting.</p>

<p>I think it’s important to note that I plan to use many sports metaphors, not because I think this is a game, but more so because of my lack of creativity and it is one of the few areas of American life that many seem to agree upon. We are so polarized these days, that we can’t see the forest for the trees – separate churches, separate schools, separate politics, separate neighborhoods, but sports is one area where we come together without even thinking about it. We may root for different teams, but we’ll go to the same bar and enjoy a drink together and it never occurs to us to think of a Black Seahawks fan vs. a White Seahawks fan.
So on to the question, why are Black Americans so upset? Why are they upset that you are not upset? Why is it all about race all the time? I’m not the authority on all things Black American, but I’ll answer some of those questions personally and maybe some will resonate. One reason Black Americans are so upset is because they believe the American system of government is rigged and not in their favor. In one of Chris Rock’s standups, he said there is one thing every single White person in America knows - They don’t want to be Black. That line got one of the biggest laughs of the night from all stripes as most people know implicitly that the American experience for Black Americans isn’t remotely similar to others and Black folks laughed in self-deprecating humor. While that may be funny, it is literally a matter of life and death for some and that’s where the anger sets in.</p>

<p>In the case of Michael Brown or countless others, the problem from a Black perspective is that it has been made abundantly clear Black lives are much less valuable than others. The narrative and perspective that was immediately portrayed was a large Black man, who was aggressive and violent and the police officer put him down like a savage beast. His body laid in the street for hours. This is the similar narrative with Trayvon Martin. The problem with this narrative is that it doesn’t allow you to see Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin as a child and if you assume that they have a proclivity towards violence than you are justified in putting them down in any way you see fit. The inability for America to view young Black males as children, much less their children, but rather criminalized adults/outcasts, shapes our perspective and thus our response. It’s unfortunate to say, but more people were outraged about how Michael Vick treated dogs than Black American children that are victims of police abuse. Why are we not outraged about ‘Stop and Frisk’ or ‘Stand Your Ground’ ? The reason is because it doesn’t affect us, it won’t impact our kids, we avoid those neighborhoods like the plague and pretend like it doesn’t exist. Well it does exist, it does affect our kids, it is happening in our neighborhoods and the inability for the majority of American citizens to even display empathy toward children shot in the middle of the street in plain daylight only creates more division, more animosity, more anger.</p>

<p>What is most distasteful is the system of justice that gives people the authority to resolve these situations is the very system that is causing the inequality. Imagine for a second, in a basketball game, a player is running on a fast break. A referee intentionally sticks out his leg and the player tumbles over and the ball goes out of bounds. The ref blows his whistle and awards the ball to the other team. The player immediately gets up and goes to another ref, telling him that he was tripped and the other ref was in the wrong. The second ref looks at him, looks at the other ref and gives the player a technical foul for complaining. The announcers note that it’s unfortunate the player was too close to the sideline and should have seen the ref’s foot. The player even points out the ref who tripped him is wearing the other team’s jersey underneath his uniform, but to no avail. The player then grabs the ball and kicks it as hard as he can into the stands and exits.</p>

<p>Sports only work when players, coaches and fans believe in and trust the impartiality of the referees and scorekeepers. Economies only work when citizens agree upon the value of the currency. When you have experienced and strongly feel that the system of justice is rigged against you and you have no recourse, you want to kick the ball in the stands and not play anymore. Unfortunately, citizenry isn’t a game you can easily walk away from. The saddest part about all of this, is we have a Black Commissioner (POTUS), a Black Head of Officiating (Attorney General) and several witnesses (Instant Replay) and not only was Officer Wilson not convicted, he wasn’t even charged with a crime to begin a trial. That’s why people are so angry, that’s why people don’t vote, that’s why some people choose to riot and loot. </p>

<p>People aren’t in the streets all over the country protesting because one kid was shot to death, people are protesting because they believe the system is rigged against them and the vast majority of the population either doesn’t believe them or is okay with it that way.</p>

<p>Those arrested for looting ARE Ferguson residents. I heard that just 2 were ‘outside agitators’. </p>

<p>I’m astonished that no one has said that if Michael Brown hadn’t robbed that store and hadn’t attacked Officer Wilson he would be alive. It may be callous to blame the dead, but that’s where the blame belongs. The talking heads also need to say that he was high on marijuana which no doubt impaired his judgment. That’s where the constructive change needs to come. Stop committing crime, stop doing drugs. Don’t blame the person trying to protect himself.</p>

<p>I would have liked a trial. I wish I could hear from others how this policeman spoke to them when stopped, questioned, or arrested. Is he always professional? Does he say abusive words? </p>

<p>Officer Wilson didn’t know Brown had robbed the store when he stopped him so it’s not relevant, IMO, to the shooting. If you want to make a case now that he was a horrible person, then OK, but Wilson didn’t stop him in relation to the robbery, according to the police chief.</p>

<p>People are talking about just following directions and lying down with hands up when told to as if that will keep you from getting beat or killed if you are a black man. Some people might just be better off taking their chances running because once you are lying down handcuffed you are a sitting duck. </p>

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<p>I don’t know where you got that. Brown matched the description from a 911 call made by a customer who was in the store at the time of robbery. From what I understand, Wilson started questioning Brown because of the matched description.</p>

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<p>I am sure that happens. In this particular case, however, that’s simply not the case. Brown didn’t stop at not following directions. He got aggressive. This is like a couple in a bad marriage fighting. Bring up unrelated offenses and increasingly get madder.</p>

<p>Yes, I heard that Wilson had heard on his police radio a description of the man who had robbed the convenience store which matched Brown. And he had in fact robbed the store. </p>

<p>Brown wasn’t running away, saintfan, he was running towards Wilson and was only 8 feet away when the fatal shot was fired. How many seconds is that before he would have reached Wilson? </p>

<p>Young black males commit a disproportionate amount of the crime in this country. The real crime wave is not police officers shooting black males but black males shooting each other. </p>

<p>People made up their minds in the first week. Nothing else matters. And, emerging facts won’t change anything. It’s a little hard to believe that some people really think we should arrest police officers for murder and have a show trial because of an angry mob who is angry about something that didn’t even happen. And, this morning the police force is being blamed for letting the town burn down. What are they supposed to do?</p>

<p>I think the starting point has to be the auptosy results. The results largely corroborate Wilson’s description of the incident. The question should be Did Wilson do anything to provoke Brown to get violent? My impression was that Brown was a violent man, strong arming the store clerk.</p>

<p>“And, emerging facts won’t change anything.”</p>

<p>Are you referring to the “facts” which came from in the grand jury investigation? The ones which where subject to no cross examination? </p>

<p>Yes, I heard those complaints too. “You didn’t do enough to prevent the arson and looting!” What were they supposed to do? Shoot looters on sight? They came out in force, they sprayed tear gas, they set up barricades and police lines. </p>

<p>Michael Brown’s step-father incited the crowed to arson by saying “Burn this b**** down!” </p>

<p>Anyone wondering why Michael Brown had no respect for authority need look no further than his screaming stepfather. That video clip is just terrible.</p>

<p>Forensic evidence is what it is and that’s what I think made all the difference. And, many witnesses were black so I also this whole racial divide story is a little overblown… Most of these so called protesters don’t care about this case and couldn’t tell you what happened beyond they hate cops. </p>

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<p>To me, the autopsy results are “facts” They seem pretty solid. If anyone knows it not to be, I’d like to hear about it. We shoudl hash that out first.</p>