Ferguson Part Deux - No charges to be filed!

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<p>How did Officer Wilson know the description of the two men if the call was made during the time he was helping the sick baby? </p>

<p>Do officers take their car radio’s into someone’s home when on a call? </p>

<p>Why, if he knew the description of the two suspects, which according to the article you just posted he did - down to the clothes the suspect was wearing, would he tell them to get out of the middle of the street and walk on the sidewalk at all? Why wouldn’t he have immediately radioed in that he spotted the two suspects? </p>

<p>IMO, he had no idea until after the kids swore at him and he back-upped to contain them. It’s my opinion he did that because he didn’t like what they (or Brown) said to him. He was pissed off, imo, by the kid sassing him. </p>

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<p>Because, the call came in between the time that he told them to get out of the road and when he backed up to question them. It’s the reason he backed up. But it’s a minor detail that hasn’t got much to do with the shooting which was because of what happened next. And, not that it matters but cops do wear radios, yes.</p>

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<p>We know it happened the way he claims * now *. The problem is that he didn’t give a statement immediately after the shooting, so we don’t know what he would have said before he had access to the records.</p>

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<p>“We had almost 24 hour none stop national TV coverage on only this one. why?”</p>

<p>Who knows? Perhaps because there are so many most incidences get lost in the weeds. </p>

<p>Not every missing child becomes a cause celebre on Nancy Grace, either, especially missing children of color. </p>

<p><a href=“http://journalismcenter.org/when-a-child-dies/missing-white-girl.html”>http://journalismcenter.org/when-a-child-dies/missing-white-girl.html&lt;/a&gt; </p>

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<p>To some extent, this falls into an old commentary I’ve heard from friends/relatives from the silent/early boomer generation about the news/journalism. “Dog bites man isn’t news. Man bites dog IS news”. </p>

<p>In short, newsmedia prefer covering items which are unusual and thus, exciting. </p>

<p>Individual drug arrests due to stop and frisk and more frequent scrutiny of profiled racial minorities, so common it doesn’t make the news except in aggregate and in the middle/back of the news section.</p>

<p>Students…especially students who aren’t from profiled groups such as White and upper/upper-middle class getting busted for drugs/drug dealing as with a recent case at Columbia U and the drug bust of Haverford prep school alums, makes compelling news copy due to the fact it’s considered highly unusual for people from such demographics to be involved in such a crime even though White teens/young adults are involved with drugs at around the same or in some cases like my private LAC, higher rates. </p>

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<p>“Because, the call came in between the time that he told them to get out of the road and when he backed up to question them. It’s the reason he backed up. But it’s a minor detail that hasn’t got much to do with the shooting which was because of what happened next. And, not that it matters but cops do wear radios, yes.”</p>

<p>No it didn’t. According to the timeline which you posted:</p>

<p>“At 11:53 a.m., a dispatcher reported a “stealing in progress” at the Ferguson Market. The 911 operator was still talking to the caller in the background. In a second broadcast, 19 seconds later, the dispatcher says the suspect is a black male in a white T-shirt running toward QuikTrip, and had stolen a box of Swisher cigars.”</p>

<p>"About four minutes later, there’s more detail: the suspect is wearing a red Cardinals hat, a white T-shirt, yellow socks and khaki shorts, and is accompanied by another man.:</p>

<p>So, at 11:57 the call which detailed what the suspect was wearing was issued. </p>

<p>Again, according to the article you posted with the timeline: </p>

<p>“At noon, Wilson reports that he’s back in service from the sick-baby call”</p>

<p>If he knew, why did he simply tell the two get out of the middle of the street and on the sidewalk and not call in that he had spotted the suspect. Imo, he had to be close enough at that point to see what they were wearing. </p>

<p>So, according to the timeline, imo, he either knew before he was back in service the description of the suspects, which doesn’t make sense given his initial contact with the two boys, or he didn’t know anything about it at all and made up his story after to match the timeline. </p>

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<p>A white teenager can’t tell the police to “fill in the blank” off and expect the cop to just let it go, not even in a “nice” area. However, I don’t think it is appropriate to compare what happens in a low crime area and a high crime area if you are trying to assess the effect of race.</p>

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<p>“A white teenager can’t tell the police to “fill in the blank” off and expect the cop to just let it go.”</p>

<p>Really? Why not? Is there a law which says a person cannot talk that way to a police person? </p>

<p>Can I, or anyone else, be arrested for saying that to a cop? </p>

<p>What do you think a cop would do? Dress me, or anyone else, down? What gives them the legal right to do that at all? </p>

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<p>And, at 12:02 he reports the suspects on Canfield and asks for back-up.</p>

<p>So, he’s back in service at noon and drives by a couple of kids walking in the middle of the road and tells them to get out of the street and keeps on cruising and then goes, “Whoa, those are the robbery suspects,” and backs up. I find that entirely plausible especially since he wasn’t on that case or looking for those suspects. He stumbled into them. As for cussing at cops, it’s legal but it makes no sense to advocate cussing at anyone so I’m ignoring that part. Especially if you just robbed a convenience store, you should probably be co-operative.</p>

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<p>I’m not familiar enough with police procedure or with the law to be able to answer that question as to what laws would support a specific reaction of a police officer to being cussed at. Maybe there are some vague laws like disorderly conduct? Just a guess.</p>

<p>I do think that if you swore at the officer you would get a dressing down, particularly after disobeying an order, and that they would feel justified to continue questioning you. Maybe the lawyers have some more insight on this. There seem to be quite a few on cc.</p>

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<p>“To some extent, this falls into an old commentary I’ve heard from friends/relatives from the silent/early boomer generation about the news/journalism. “Dog bites man isn’t news. Man bites dog IS news””</p>

<p>Why can’t you just say “To some extent, this falls under 'Dog bites man isn’t news. Man bites dogs IS news”?" Why do you have to pretend that you had yet another conversation with friends / relatives about this topic? Just say what you have to say. </p>

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<p>“Really? Why not? Is there a law which says a person cannot talk that way to a police person?
Can I, or anyone else, be arrested for saying that to a cop?”</p>

<p>I don’t know what the law is, but even the ACLU says - be polite, and if you can’t, then remain silent (and ask for a lawyer, if relevant). The ACLU doesn’t say “go badmouthing the cop and try to wrestle away his gun.”</p>

<p>Michael Brown’s father spoke at the UN. He said - “If I could have stood between Officer Wilson’s gun and my son, I would have, because no father wants to see his child dead in the streets.”</p>

<p>Fully understand; we all would take bullets for our children, too. But you know, maybe Michael Brown’s father would have been better off standing in between Michael Brown and the law-abiding owner of the convenience store who Michael Brown viewed as having no value because he wanted those cigars and by golly, he was entitled to have them even without paying. </p>

<p>Sorry. This is just the absolute poorest poster child possible. The only thing worse is if Michael Brown had just come from a rape or a murder when he happened upon Officer Wilson.</p>

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<p>“And, at 12:02 he reports the suspects on Canfield and asks for back-up.”</p>

<p>Wait a minute…you said: “No, he backed up because that’s when he heard the radio call and the kid matched the robbery suspect description.” </p>

<p>The call with the description went out at 11:57 when Officer Wilson was still on the call for the sick baby. </p>

<p>And in less than 61 seconds from the 12:02 call for back up Brown was dead. </p>

<p>I’m sorry but I simply do not buy Officer Wilson account. </p>

<p>You are free to disagree. </p>

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<p>"I don’t know what the law is, but even the ACLU says - be polite, and if you can’t, then remain silent (and ask for a lawyer, if relevant). The ACLU doesn’t say “go badmouthing the cop and try to wrestle away his gun.”</p>

<p>I agree it’s not a good thing to swear at a cop but what gives a cop the right to dress someone down for that? </p>

<p>I am perplexed that the cop had the audacity to tell these boys to get out of the street and onto the sidewalk. It was not a main thoroughfare with cars zooming down - and I highly doubt he was doing it for their safety. Seems to me he did it to let them know who was in charge. And I believe he got incensed that Brown had the audacity to swear at him. </p>

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<p>Right, he didn’t have any idea he was about to be attacked and end up in a fight for his gun but he did know he was going to confront a robbery suspect and back up would be useful. The evidence doesn’t support his being shot for swearing. There was a scuffle in the cop car, gun residue on Michael Brown’s hand, and a trail of blood putting him in the SUV, down the street, and back to within 8 to 10 feet of Officer Wilson. I don’t care at all who yelled at who or when and am pretty sure cops and criminals both hear a lot of cussing.</p>

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<p>So why not just turn the car around and follow them while waiting for back-up? Why back up and block them in? </p>

<p>I find his story unbelievable. You obviously don’t. </p>

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<p>No, I personally don’t find it unbelievable at all. And the autopsy report backs up the contention that Brown grabbed for Wilson’s gun. That’s not what a law-abiding citizen who is going about his business does. That’s someone who knows he did wrong and is hoping to get away with it.</p>

<p>I expect these officers to be on their guard. They have to in certain neighborhoods. </p>

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<p>“So why not just turn the car around and follow them while waiting for back-up? Why back up and block them in?”</p>

<p>Because if all a cop is <em>supposed</em> to do is call for back-up and can’t act on their own, then what’s the point of having a cop? It’s like going to the emergency room and having them say, well, you should call 911 for this.</p>

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<p>“Because if all a cop is <em>supposed</em> to do is call for back-up and can’t act on their own, then what’s the point of having a cop?”</p>

<p>Then why call for back up at all, if he can act on his own? </p>

<p>“I expect these officers to be on their guard. They have to in certain neighborhoods.”</p>

<p>I will let your statement stand all on it’s own. </p>

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<p>I have a relative who is a bit, let’s just say confrontational at times. One day he got pulled over for a supposed moving violation. He felt that he had done nothing wrong (I forget the exact circumstances). Anyway, he got into a heated exchange with the police officer and some profanity was used in anger. The officer arrested him. I think maybe the charges were disturbing the peace. Not sure. Anyway, he went to court and represented himself and defended himself with the premise that it is not a crime to swear at a cop. The judge threw the case out and reprimanded the officer for wasting his time.</p>

<p>This is still the USA. We get to swear here. Even at cops. It may not be advisable but it IS legal. At least in my state.</p>