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<p>The fact that you have to even print that tells a lot about how common sense is lost today. I clearly grew up differently because resisting arrest and fighting a police officer does not remotely make sense to anyone I know. That is just plain stupid to do. It is so stupid that it can get you killed.</p>
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<p>Eric Garner had no weapon, and his resistance was mild, and he quickly capitulated. Where exactly does he fit in your self - dealing death sentence matrix?</p>
<p>BTW, I just started a separate thread on Tamir Rice.</p>
<p>“he is actively saving his own life.”</p>
<p>How was Officer P (the Garner case) actively saving his life? The suspect was unarmed. He was no threat to any of the officers involved. </p>
<p>None of the cases we are talking about did the victim even have a gun. And Michael Brown, for all we know, may have been trying to grab the officer’s gun so it wouldn’t be used against him (though I am skeptical he was ever trying to wrestle the gun away from Wilson.) </p>
<p>And if Officer Wilson thought Michael Brown was armed - which he said he did - why would Michael Brown attempt to get the Officer’s gun at all. Why not just shoot him with his own gun? </p>
<p>The Phoenix killling which just happened a few days ago - the victim also did not have a gun. How was the Officer’s actively trying to save his life by shooting the victim while he was running away from the Officer to his home? </p>
<p>I have also noticed that in their stories several of the police mention the victim puts in hand inside his waste band? How many unarmed people would even do that? It’s not logical one would make that kind of move if they have no weapon. </p>
<p>I think they have decided that is a good story to tell to back up their “self defense” excuse. </p>
<p>Exactly. And in each of these cases, they are being given plenty of time to “perfect” their story.</p>
<p>How was Officer P (the Garner case) actively saving his life? The suspect was unarmed. He was no threat to any of the officers involved.</p>
<p>He wasn’t and no-one anywhere has claimed that including his very few defenders. Really, people need to get a grip on specifics but that is seemingly impossible. Unfortunately.</p>
<p>" Eric Garner had no weapon, and his resistance was mild, and he quickly capitulated. Where exactly does he fit in your self - dealing death sentence matrix?"</p>
<p>It doesn’t even look to me like he resisted arrest in that video. He just kind of waved and slapped the air. So in my “self-dealing death sentence matrix”, I think he should never have been put in the headlock, he never should have been arrested, and they should have just left him alone. There is enough crime out there that I don’t think several officers should be out there harassing people for the most petty of crimes.</p>
<p>79 pages and this thread has made little progress. With the barely constrained contempt shown here by several posters, is it any wonder our country is so divided. I’m right, therefore nothing you say has merit. SMH… </p>
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<p>When did the topic change? I was responding to the Brown case, which I thought the thread was about. </p>
<p>Not all cases are the same, of course, and Brown was resisting arrest in a forceful, attacking way. It seems that Garner was not in this aggressive category. </p>
<p>And this is why it is silly, as a blanket statement, to say one does not care about resisting arrest. Some resisting arrest situations do put officers in a life threatening situation ala Brown. </p>
<p>" You will never be disabused of your belief that there is voter fraud which effects the outcomes of elections and it’s obvious that no statistic which shows how insignificant a problem it is will convince you otherwise."</p>
<p>In my local area, Christine Gregoire won the Washington state governors race in 2004, by 133 votes. Two of those, incidentally, were from myself and my husband.</p>
<p>During the legal challenge, the judge acknowledged the illegal votes cast, but decided not to overturn the election. One can only guess at whom these illegal votes went to, but only 133 votes, with millions of votes cast, made the difference.</p>
<p>“In all, the judge identified 1,678 illegal votes: 745 from felons on the GOP list, 647 from felons on the Democrats list, 175 mishandled provisional ballots in King County and 77 in Pierce County, six double votes, and 19 ballots cast in the name of dead people.”</p>
<p>With elections won and lost sometimes by tiny numbers, one would have be naïve or brainwashed to think it couldn’t make a difference. For either side.</p>
<p>I wanna be able to vote when I am dead.</p>
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<p>" 79 pages and this thread has made little progress. With the barely constrained contempt shown here by several posters, is it any wonder our country is so divided. I’m right, therefore nothing you say has merit. SMH…. "</p>
<p>Exactly ! Barely civil from more than a few …condescending really. I can’t believe I returned to this thread …must find something productive to do now</p>
<p>“I wanna be able to vote when I am dead.”</p>
<p>Me too. Plus, there are many other things I’d like to do. Like reach out from the grave, and nag my children.</p>
<p>"The trial began on May 23, with both sides presenting their evidence of manipulation. On June 6, 2005, Judge John E. Bridges ruled that the Republican party did not provide enough evidence that the disputed votes were ineligible -or for whom they were cast- to overturn the election.[28] Judge Bridges "</p>
<p>" He also rejected all claims of fraud and the Republican Party’s statistical analysis…"</p>
<p>“Bridges removed the five votes from the final count: four for Rossi and one for Ruth Bennett.[31] No evidence was brought before the court of any of the illegal votes benefitted Gregoire.”</p>
<p><a href=“2004 Washington gubernatorial election - Wikipedia”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2004</a></p>
<p>Michael Brown attacked a policeman, punching him two or three times in the head. The policeman stated that he feared for his life. Is it not true that a well-placed blow to a certain area of a person’s temple can kill? That is what came to my mind about the altercation.</p>
<p>This thread has finally led me to use the ignore option. Oh what a relief it is.</p>
<p>“I was responding to the Brown case, which I thought the thread was about.”</p>
<p>Sorry, it is hard to keep the two threads separate. But, I also have serious questions as to the truth of Officer Wilson’s story and the fact is Brown was unarmed. </p>
<p>You are certainly entitled to your opinion, though. </p>
<p>^^ No Problem. I thought it was a mix-up. Lots of stuff being discussed. </p>
<p>"“The trial began on May 23, with both sides presenting their evidence of manipulation. On June 6, 2005, Judge John E. Bridges ruled that the Republican party did not provide enough evidence that the disputed votes were ineligible -or for whom they were cast- to overturn the election.”</p>
<p>The case boils down to the fact that they could not prove whom the illegal votes were cast for, and the judge did not want to interfere with the election results.</p>
<p>We can only guess whom the non disputed 1, 678 illegal votes were cast for (mostly by felons). We can only wonder whom felons generally vote for. But the point stands that with a small number of votes deciding an election, illegal votes can make all the difference in the world. </p>
<p>At that point, I give up, time to do something productive. This is purely banging my head against the wall. Maybe dietz has an idea there.</p>