<p>Everyday police go to work not knowing if they’ll come home again at the end of the day. Brown and Garner both escalated their confrontations with the police. They could have lived if they’d complied with the police. These poor young guys were just eating their lunches in the car. They were shot before they had any chance to fight back at all. I really feel for their families. </p>
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<p>Seriously. Are we supposed to defend the cops who shot those two innocent people? Does anyone else have a problem with the double standard here?</p>
<p>Also, how does the Brooklyn police killer’s shooting of his GF before coming to New York fit in with the narrative that it was all about an anti-cop mentality?</p>
<p><a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/nypd-ambush-attack-why-police-accuse-mayor-having-141701306.html”>http://news.yahoo.com/nypd-ambush-attack-why-police-accuse-mayor-having-141701306.html</a></p>
<p>This article says the police union feels the fact the mayor sided with the protestors in the Garner case created the tone for this to happen. I do not agree with the union here. I think most people on this thread sided with the sane protestors in the Garner case.</p>
<p>Tatin I think we all feel for their families.</p>
<p>Did you see his Instagram posts? He was pretty clear about his anti-cop mentality.</p>
<p>“Everyday police go to work not knowing if they’ll come home again at the end of the day. Brown and Garner both escalated their confrontations with the police.”</p>
<p>I believe this is what black parents fear for their children - that they wont come home because of the different treatment they receive from the police. </p>
<p>The man in Walmart was just holding a toy gun. The 12 year boy was just playing with a toy gun. The man shot to death when reaching into his glove compartment to get his registration, at the request of the police officer. </p>
<p>Police officers and their families accept that they may get killed on the job. No one has to become a police officer. It is something they choose to do and that they accept the risks. </p>
<p>I also feel for the families of the officers and for the families of those shot to death by the police for nothing other than being black. </p>
<p>The mayor made it very clear that he believed that the death of Garner was racially motivated. I don’t think that is clear at all from that situation. And, it <em>may</em> be true and it may be heretical to question it among some of you, but it hasn’t been established at all that the police targets minorities in general. There was a federal study on whether the police pulled over minorities more than other people on the New Jersey turnpike; they found that there was racial bias against white people. They were pulled over for the same offenses. I don’t remember the details, but I believe the data was collected objectively. The federal study was suppressed because it led to the wrong conclusions. Perhaps there is some disparate impact at work because more police have been put in the poorer neighborhoods, and these neighborhoods have the more minorities. </p>
<p>And the mayor made it very clear that the officer was guilty not only of use of excessive force, but of doing it because of racism. On the other hand, video of officers being beaten is an “alleged” attack.</p>
<h1>1384: in both of those cases, the police were called to the scene and notified that someone was waving around a gun.</h1>
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<p>Eb, it doesn’t blow my mind at all; it makes perfect sense. He wanted a certain outcome, the witness bolstered his desire, her testimony couldn’t be challenged.</p>
<p>Her testimony was challenged by the assistant prosecutors in front of the grand jury, though. And, she’s annoyed. </p>
<p>There were witnesses lying on both sides of the case. Technically, he should have held out the people he thought were lying (or for which other evidence contradicted their statements) on both sides. </p>
<p>Well, realistically he couldn’t have done that either because then all the hands up/shot in the back people aren’t invited and that also would not have played very well. In my opinion, he should have ruled the shooting justified if that’s what he believed but I really think he was just looking for a way to shift the burden and get the evidence into the light of day which does make some sense as a strategy. He just threw it all at the grand jury and called it a day. It was politics.</p>
<p>“They were pulled over for the same offenses. I don’t remember the details, but I believe the data was collected objectively.”</p>
<p>When a white person in Walmart is shot to death holding a toy gun - please let me know. </p>
<p>When a white person is shot to death reaching for the registration in his glove compartment - please let me know. </p>
<p>When a 12 year old white boy is shot to death in a playground - playing with a toy gun - please let me know. </p>
<p>Has there been a study down of drivers pulled over in nice leafy upscale neighborhood for doing nothing other than driving down the street? </p>
<p>If your point is that police more heavily police high-crime communities, you are correct. Of course, they do this by design and it’s a big part of the watch commanders job to send on-duty cops to areas where the criminals are likely to be located. They are trying to catch them and keep the area safe for law-abiding residents. </p>
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When a white person in Walmart is shot to death holding a toy gun - please let me know.</p>
<p>When a white person is shot to death reaching for the registration in his glove compartment - please let me know.</p>
<p>When a 12 year old white boy is shot to death in a playground - playing with a toy gun - please let me know."</p>
<p>Here you go, Emily, letting you know. There are plenty of non-black faces on this page. Elderly, young, men, women, veterans, black, white, Hispanic.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.innocentdown.org/”>http://www.innocentdown.org/</a></p>
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<p>Does the inside of a WalMart store where toy guns are sold qualify as a “high-crime” setting?</p>
<p>So busdriver, do you think that link supports the idea that law enforcement deserves more respect?</p>
<p>Well, I don’t know if that particular Wal-Mart was in a high crime area or not. We have one here where shootings in the parking lot are pretty routine but there is also a nightclub and a Kohl’s store that is frequently ripped off on that corner. Some Wal-Marts are pretty sketchy. Nonetheless, each case is different and I’m not lumping them all together one way or the other just because of someone’s skin color. More than likely some are justified and some are not and it would always be a good idea to obey a cops orders whatever color you are and pretending these recent high-profile cases prove some kind of a pattern is the problem. They just don’t upon closer examination. But, we can and probably will disagree.</p>
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<p>What difference does it make–are you trying to make an argument that socioeconomics governs this as well? Why do you think that white people are pulled over more on the NJ turnpike for the same offenses? Regarding socioeconomics, i can tell you a recent story in a leafy upscale suburban neighborhood. This 70-year old white man made the mistake of parking in a 10-minute-only zone. When questioned, he told the cop brusquely at first that he was just about to move. The cop didn’t shoot him, but he had his hand on his gun the whole time as if he was ready to pull it and shoot it. Everybody that was eating in the restaurants closeby stopped what they were doing to watch the scene. I suggest that everyone here who is so confident that their so-called ‘white privilege’ protects them from the police is deluded, and they should be having the same talk with their kids about how to talk to the police that NewhavenCtmom is.</p>
<p>The other deaths that you mentionedwere tragic, but the police were called to the scene by other people and told there was someone waving a gun around and they didn’t comply with requests. And in one case, the guy wasn’t responsive because he was on a cell phone. I don’t know if race affects these situations, but I don’t consider it as gospel that it affects all these situations. And I think it is probably governed more by their training than anything else. What are they told to do when someone apparently has a gun and doesn’t immediately comply with requests. Also, it does seem that the cops need specialized training on how to arrest someone who is very large or obese. And they shouldn’t sell “toy guns” which look exactly like real ones. </p>
<p>This story is almost exactly like what happened with Garner, although the offense wasn’t selling loose cigarettes, but refusing to leave a movie theater before the next showing:
<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-criminal-charges-in-death-of-robert-saylor-frederick-man-with-down-syndrome/2013/03/22/3a723b6c-932f-11e2-8ea1-956c94b6b5b9_story.html”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-criminal-charges-in-death-of-robert-saylor-frederick-man-with-down-syndrome/2013/03/22/3a723b6c-932f-11e2-8ea1-956c94b6b5b9_story.html</a>
There are parallels; the white guy in Utah was similar to Michael Browne except the Utah guy hadn’t robbed someone that day. Of course, these cases weren’t plastered across the news and didn’t cause mass protests.</p>
<p>Were you all up in arms over the vitriol spewed and guns were pointed at LEO during the Bundy stand off? Did you blame them for the cold blooded assassination of the two Las Vegas cops by supporters of Bundy and who had taken part in the stand off? </p>
<p>And even with guns pointed at them from law breakers the LEO’s didn’t fire a shot.</p>
<p>These law breakers who were armed and pointing their weapons at LEO were even called “Patriots” by certain segments of the press and by people of certain political persuasions. </p>
<p>And Bundy’s cause was championed by Sean Hannity on Fox News for weeks until he was forced to walk back his support when Bundy racists views were made public. </p>
<p><a href=“Tamara Holder vs. Sean Hannity on Cliven Bundy's Ranch | Video | RealClearPolitics”>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/16/tamara_holder_vs_sean_hannity_on_cliven_bundys_ranch.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“For Militiamen, the Fight for Cliven Bundy's Ranch Is Far From Over”>http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/02/militiamen-fight-over-cliven-bundys-ranch-far-over-248354.html</a></p>
<p>So, I’m not seeing the correlation here. Busdriver found you some white people who were shot by cops and now you are asking about the ones who weren’t. Not every black person is shot by law enforcement, either. Hmmm.</p>