Financial Aid: Still Feel Like I'm Missing Parts of the Puzzle

<p>So my niece received her first complete financial package from a school she really likes and it looks like its out of reach. (This particular school had only an 80% need-met policy so we’re hoping she gets acceptances at schools where more need is met.) As we make decisions, I want to make sure I fully understand how to evaluate our financing options and, frankly, I don’t think I’ve fully got my head around it. Can you me understand better?</p>

<p><strong>Merit Scholarships</strong></p>

<p>She’s received generous scholarships (although not nearly enough to make it affordable for someone in her income level). And, although a very good student, I worry that college may have its ups and downs academically. </p>

<p>– What happens if she doesn’t meet the GPA requirements in a given semester? Is eligibility usually determined on a semester-by-semester or as a cumulative GPA?</p>

<p>– If she lost her merit scholarship, would her financial aid package be adjusted to include more grant money to offset the loss of the merit scholarship or would she need to drop out? Would she have any chance to get the scholarship back? </p>

<p>– There’s no way that she could cover even ten percent of the loss of a merit scholarship. What if she learned her grades fell below scholarship requirements at the second of the spring semester when, I’m assuming, the next year’s financial aid package had already been sent out? Am I making up problems, or do students often lose these scholarships?</p>

<p><strong>Loans</strong></p>

<p>– I’m aware of the maximum annual amounts available for Direct Subsidized and Direct Unsubsidized loans. If she didn’t take the maximum available to her one year, could she take more another year?</p>

<p>– Do the interest rate on the Direct loans lock in each year? Is it likely that you would have different interest rates for the loans every year?</p>

<p>– I believe interest begins to be assessed on the Direct loans as soon as they are taken out. Do most people pay the interest on the loans while the student is in school. It’s unlikely we could do this but I just wanted to understand. </p>

<p>– If she were given a Perkins loan, would she also be eligible for the same amount of Direct Subsidized and Direct Unsubsidized loans? (I’m not sure we would do this anyway, but I’d like to understand the options.)</p>

<p>– If you had a choice of Perkins or a Direct Loans, is one better than the other?</p>

<p>– Other than Perkins or Direct, my understanding is that the only other loan option is a Plus loans. True?</p>

<p>– If a parent does NOT have any negative marks on their credit history, can they take out a Plus loan for as much as needed to cover attendance, even if its the full amount minus grants, merit aid and other loans? (Don’t plan on doing this, just want to understand. The interest rate is awfully high.)</p>

<p>– If a parent DOES have negative marks on their credit history, I understand that they can’t they take out a Plus loan. Does this automatically allow students to take out an additional $4K-$5K per year in Direct Subsidized/Unsubsidized loans?</p>

<p>– When they speak about students with $100K of student loans, how is that possible? Are most of these students taking out Plus loans, Direct loans, and other types of loans? </p>

<p><strong>Negotiating</strong></p>

<p>If after merit aid, grants and Direct Sub/Unsub loans, we are unable to meet the difference, I realize that likely scenario is that she not attend the school. But, if we were to approach the financial aid office and ask them to increase their package, how would we do that? What is the best approach? We don’t want the answer to be “take our more in loans.” Would we ask for more grant money? More merit aid? Should we wait until other packages are in or is better to approach them as quickly as possible so that there is a chance money is still available?</p>

<p>*This particular school had only an 80% need-met policy *</p>

<p>a school that mentions that it meets an average of 80% of need does not mean that it meets 80% of need of accepted students. </p>

<p>That stat is saying that of matriculated students, that an average of 80% of need was met. </p>

<p>That can mean that there were a bunch of students with high need who got lousy aid pkgs and didn’t enroll.</p>

<p>It can mean that most of their matriculated students had a modest amount of need and most/all of it was met with a student loan. </p>

<p>That stat can be further misleading if it’s a state school and most of the students are low-tuition instate kids. A high-tuition OOS kid is likely going to be largely gapped, even if the school is meeting most/all need of the instate kids.</p>

<p>That stat really means little unless a school promises to meet 100% of need.</p>

<p>*-- What happens if she doesn’t meet the GPA requirements in a given semester? Is eligibility usually determined on a semester-by-semester or as a cumulative GPA?</p>

<p>-- If she lost her merit scholarship, would her financial aid package be adjusted to include more grant money to offset the loss of the merit scholarship or would she need to drop out? Would she have any chance to get the scholarship back? *</p>

<p>Each school has its own policy. You’ll have to check with each. </p>

<p>As for whether she’d get need based aid if she lost her merit, that is doubtful unless the school promised to meet need. In a number of cases, students end up having to leave their school.</p>

<p>Check to see what GPA is required. A 3.0 can be reasonable. A 3.5 may not be. Also check to see if it’s by semester, by year, or what.</p>

<p>*-- When they speak about students with $100K of student loans, how is that possible? Are most of these students taking out Plus loans, Direct loans, and other types of loans? *</p>

<p>that can be several ways.</p>

<p>1) Students that graduated a few years ago when Sallie Mae was still allowing students to borrow huge amts without co-signers. That no longer exists.</p>

<p>2) Parents co-signing private student loans - dangerous since the parent is still responsible if the student doesn’t pay, dies, becomes unemployed, disabled, etc.</p>

<p>3) Parent Plus loans…which actually are the parents’ sole responsibility but some families have “family agreements” that the student is expected to pay. However, that’s couldn’t be enforced. The parents would still be obligated if the student didn’t pay.</p>

<p>It is very naive to expect newish grads to pay back huge loans like that.</p>

<p>– I’m aware of the maximum annual amounts available for Direct Subsidized and Direct Unsubsidized loans. If she didn’t take the maximum available to her one year, could she take more another year?</p>

<p>No. So, if that’s a possible situation, she needs to take out the max, and set the extra money aside.</p>

<p>– If a parent DOES have negative marks on their credit history, I understand that they can’t they take out a Plus loan. Does this automatically allow students to take out an additional $4K-$5K per year in Direct Subsidized/Unsubsidized loans?</p>

<p>I think it is $4k per year add’l. However, that means an add’l $16k of debt on top of about $30k of debt (stafford and maybe perkins). That will be over $50k of debt by the time the student graduates. That is too much debt.</p>

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This will vary by school and by scholarships within the school, so it is very important to check on the requirements of the individual scholarship. My daughter’s scholarship was split into two separate parts (a cash part and a full tuition waiver part) and each part had separate requirements - one had a slightly lower GPA requirement. For her scholarship, it was the cumulative GPA at the end of the Spring semester that mattered but if it was missed, she could keep the scholarship if she managed to bring it up by the end of the summer. After that, the scholarship would have been permanently lost. This will vary and some scholarships may give the possibility of regaining the scholarship.</p>

<p>Her school, which was not a meets full need school, would not have adjusted her aid to replace the lost scholarship. I would think most schools would not. </p>

<p>And yes, students often lose their merit scholarships in their freshman year. I know several very bright students who lost theirs. It is important to be careful choosing freshman classes. My daughter did have a couple of bad semesters later in her school career but fortunately had the cushion of her earlier year grades to keep her cumulative GPA high enough that she kept her scholarship till she graduated.</p>

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No</p>

<p>

It depends on what congress decides to do with them. In the years my daughter had subsidized loans, the rates were different every year - but we knew what they were going to be as congress had passed a bill setting a changing rate schedule over a period of about years. I am not sure whether the recently passed bill covers an extended time period or not. Unsubsidized loans have been 6.8% for several years with no change (doesn’t mean they won’t in the future)</p>

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If the loans are subsidized, the interest does not accrue while in school. </p>

<p>If they are unsubsidized, the interest does accrue. The interest can be paid as incurred. If not, it is capitalized and added to the loan.</p>

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Perkins loans are need based (and much harder to get as they have very limited funding). If getting a Perkins loan eliminated her “need” then it would mean she would only be eligible for unsub direct loans. </p>

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Perkins is better than an unsub direct loan as it is subsidized (no interest while in school) and the interest rate is lower (5% vs 6.8%).</p>

<p>Whether it is better than a subsidized direct loan will depend.

  1. Current interest rates on sub directs is, I believe , 3.4 % which is lower than the 5% Perkins.
  2. Perkins has no origination fees while the direct loans do.
  3. Not completely up to date on the rules, but last i heard the interest on the sub loans begins to accrue during the 6 month grace period after a student graduates or drops below half time, while the Perkins interest does not kick in until after the 9 month grace period.</p>

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Parent PLUS loans or private loans with a cosigner.</p>

<p>Don’t know much about PLUS loans as we never had to take any, so will leave someone else to answer about that.

It is impossible for a dependent undergrad to take that much in Direct loans (there is an aggregate cap as well as yearly caps). It would need a combination of PLUS, direct, and private loans to reach that level of debt.</p>

<p>A lot of times when 100K in debt is referred to it is not how much the original debt was, but how much it has grown to when it is not being paid off. Cummulative interest at 6.8% is shock.</p>

<p>Thanks for the thoughtful replies, mom2collegekids and swimcatsmom.</p>

<p>Sportlich, I hadn’t thought about that. Ugh.</p>