<p>I don’t know the fraction of the int’l students who receive financial aid but I am wondering how univ. determines financial need. Obviously their parents do not file 1040 forms. Is there a way to verify their financial status ? For a students to be proficient in English they must be attending an internal school in their respective countries. Has anyone thought about who can afford to attend these schools. These international schools were originally founded to educated foreigners’ children. For most of natives to attend these school they have to be from a wealthy family. This is something american universities must think about in evaluating international applicants applying for financial aid.</p>
<p>The same financial cirumstances can apply to many US students who request f.aid as well</p>
<p>All due respect, but your reasoning is flawed and seems intentionally ignorant.</p>
<p>For one, we have to verify our financial situation in detail through a separate form. Along with this form comes family and individual tax returns from three years back, and accounting of what type of grants and loans we are or may be given by our government.</p>
<p>Furthermore, you seem to be forgetting that education is far less of a costly privilege in some countries than in the US. I did not attend an international school, and even if I had, just as with public schools these institutions are obligated to be free of charge to all students.</p>
<p>What is more, your claim that English proficiency comes with a price tag is very ignorant - compulsory English education, sometimes starting as early as elementary school is on the rise in all developed countries: also, many driven international students absorb English through foreign media and literature or study it independently.</p>
<p>Lastly, standards of living in most countries is below that of the US. Generally speaking international students are far less affluent than their American counterparts.</p>
<p>…Also, I very much hope I’m not getting international aids along with every tuition payment, that would kind of bum me out seeing as how I can’t afford health insurance and am not eligible for medicaid in this country.</p>
<p>mr3000: assuming your question of verifiability is handled by Y thoroughly, do you still feel it’s not justified for Y to absorb the costs (and even pay stipends to the neediest) of international students? Can you clarify your thoughts on this issue?</p>
<p>T26E4, I am for fin.a to needy qualified students who would contribute Yale community.
frrrph, maybe in scandinavia students become proficient in English with one hour of instruction a day but that is not so in most of non-English speaking countries. Also international school are not free in other non-socialistic countries. ? A Muslim in Scandinavia. Two years of community college and transfering to Yale. Very very unusual profile.</p>
<p>“For a students to be proficient in English they must be attending an internal school in their respective countries.”</p>
<p>That really shows some kind of ignorance. I am studying in Singapore. English is the language used in ALL schools. I don’t have to be rich to attend a school that uses English as the teaching language.</p>
<p>Americans are only the only people whose first language is English.</p>
<p>mr3000, are you an international student? </p>
<p>“A Muslim in Scandinavia. Two years of community college and transfering to Yale. Very very unusual profile.”</p>
<p>are you referring to someone in particular?</p>
<p>There’s some pretty screwed-up logic in your original argument. Of course international students submit financial aid forms and tax returns as well. Or did you assume that Yale just gives them whatever amount of money they requested?</p>
<p>As for English proficiency, there are obviously requirements that international students have to fulfill. But are you saying English proficiency is dependent on attending expensive schools? Really, that sounds ignorant. English is a compulsory subject in many countries, and Americans are probably the only (ok, few) people who don’t see the need to be proficient in languages other than their own. And even IF the students attended international schools, they could have done so on scholarship. </p>
<p>So what are you trying to say? That financial aid for international students is unfair? That the process of awarding financial aid is doubtful?</p>
<p>@zhaolin: Singapore is an exception since English is an official language there. We’re talking about countries in which English isn’t widely used. Singapore would be a ridiculous example to be used in order to disprove the OP. I disagree with the OP, though I can see his/her point in stating that “For a students to be proficient in English they must be attending an internal school in their respective countries.” I think Frrrph has provided a very insightful explanation to this matter.</p>
<p>Singapore is less of an exception than you might think.</p>
<p>Many countries have English as an official language. (nor will I ever be, good luck to those applying!). A list of such countries would, and here I’m stating the obvious, include Britain, New Zealand, Australia, India… and Canada. I’m no expert on Yale admissions, but I feel pretty certain that when aggregated, the above-mentioned might already send a majority of international applicants.</p>