Finding a Morally Upright College

<p>He has always had rooms on the fourth floor, no elevator, so we’ve been happy to meet him elsewhere on campus.</p>

<p>That is what D had last year- moving in was so much fun!
But cathedral ceilings and a lovely view.
However this year she is off campus apts.
2nd floor.
I have heard & it makes sense to me, that first semester, is the wildest- after Jan they settle down.
No matter what school they are at.
I havent actually witnessed anything to the extent described, but I wouldnt be surprised by it- some kids are used to having fear of adults rule their decisions- take that away and you have a wild rumpus.</p>

<p>Just do your best to raise a morally upright kid. Wherever one goes, there will be temptations presented – it is the nature of the human experience.</p>

<p>Agreed. There’s a thread with the similar “feel” (morality topic, “new” poster who starts a thread and never returns) about parents’ opinion on their kids sexualit in the parents cafe. Did someone pour a a quart of sanctimoniousness in the cc servers this week?</p>

<p>Just out of curiosity, why does “no response from OP” an indicator of trolldom? If I’m inclined to start a thread with a false post, wouldn’t I be equally inclined to respond on that thread? In fact, if my purpose is to inflame, wouldn’t I be more inclined to respond?</p>

<p>Maybe OP took one look at the responses and decided for whatever reason she didn’t want to get involved in a flame war. There are people like that.</p>

<p>Sure that’s possible, but for many of us who have been here a long time, the pattern is easy to spot- it becomes quite consistent/predictable.</p>

<p>If I were the OP, I might not want to come back to this particular thread. I think there are still plenty of people in this country who live in communities where the viewpoint expressed by the OP is the norm. You may think that’s awful, but consider the best way to educate somebody who has that provincial attitude.</p>

<p>I’ve read some but not all of the posts on this thread and wanted to make a point about the very conservative Christian colleges: They are intollerant of *all *sexuality. Students can get kicked out of these schools for any sexual behavior, no matter who the partner is. So at such a school, the celibate homosexual would be treated no differently than the celibate heterosexual. No sex or even PDA by anyone anywhere.</p>

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<p>Lol, missypie</p>

<p>I’m a little confused by the implication that it’s extremely important for a Christian student to be exposed to a “diversity” of views, but that simultaneously it’s imperative to engineer a college environment where a gay student’s view of the world will always be supported, accepted warmly and never challenged.</p>

<p>Apparently it’s important for the Christian student to have an experience in the “real world” where he will realize that (a.) the vast majority of college students think he’s a naive, boorish, uneducated idiot and (b.) that he has no “right” to hold the views that he holds. On many campuses, his views will be ridiculed by other students and his professors. Campus groups that might support this student will be denied funding, denied meeting space on campus, and administrators and faculty who might agree with the student will likely be encouraged to seek employment elsewhere. Any physical reminders of his beliefs (like a cross in the community chapel) will quickly be whisked out of sight lest they offend anyone, and he will be required to attend lots of seminars on tolerance where he will be exposed to sexual practices and information that makes him uncomfortable. He will be told that this is excellent preparation for the real world, since everyone in the real world is apparently a gay-friendly liberal. (Obviously, they’ve never been to my small Southern town.)</p>

<p>Simultaneously, however, it’s important for a gay student to have an experience in a “supportive environment” where for four years he will never have to explain his lifestyle choices to anyone who questions them, disagrees with them, or finds them troubling. He will never encounter literature which presents an alternate view of his lifestyle, in class or out, nor will quesitoning of his lifestyle be allowed in campus publications, on campus radio, campus television or at any forum by any speaker or in any religious venue. Recruiters who come to campus will all be preselected so that only the gay-friendly businesses can come. </p>

<p>It seems to me that if anyone’s being done a disservice here by the application of this double standard (where some individuals are forced to defend their views and made to feel unwelcome while others are coddled), it’s not actually the Christian guy. Instead, it’s perhaps the GLBT student who will then proceed into the “real world” only to discover that there still are realtors who don’t want to rent to him, adoption agencies that don’t want to give him a baby, articles in the mainstream press that question his lifestyle, and that in the real world employers do sometimes discriminate against him. Unfortunately, he’ll have no experience in defending his ideas since he’s been in a bubble for the past four years while others have matured and grown to adulthood.</p>

<p>I’m saying all this from the viewpoint of someone who went to a women’s college in the 1980’s where I was told that life was fair and fun and that gender discrimination was a thing of the past. Boy was I surprised when I went to grad school! I’m not sure that the so-called supportive environment really helps anyone in the long run. Perhaps it would have been easier had I learned how to defend myself earlier, rather than later.</p>

<p>but that simultaneously it’s imperative to engineer a college environment where a gay student’s view of the world will always be supported, accepted warmly and never challenged.</p>

<p>Where does * this* idea come from- which school would that be?</p>

<p>Just open a newspaper or turn on the television , those who have a sexual orientation which is not the majority, are attacked physically- emotionally & socially.
They are looking for * some* support, * some* tolerance, is that too much to ask?</p>

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<p>I think you underestimate the vast majority of college kids. They don’t care about the religion of their classmates and they don’t find ways to judge someone as a naive, boorish, uneducated idiot unless there is behavior to support it.</p>

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So you’re saying that colleges should provide more discrimination for gay students so they’ll know what it’s like?</p>

<p>I didn’t agree with all of Momzie’s post but she obviously put some time and thought into it and I think it contains some interesting points. It’s not that hard for me to imagine a Christian student in college today finding his or her self always on the defensive, always having their views questioned. That would be tough. Also this passage struck a chord with me</p>

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<p>I can believe something like this happened and I don’t think it should have. Can’t a person be tolerant and at the same time ask to have limited information? In other words can’t I do my best to practice “Live and let live” and at the same time say “I don’t want to know about someone else’s sex life?”</p>

<p>It’s just something Momzie’s post got me thinking about and any post that gets me thinking is a valuable addition.</p>

<p>Momzie–I can appreciate your post more, knowing that you had the experience of a supportive women’s college and the surprise of the outside world.</p>

<p>But I am still tempted to replace the word “gay” with “black” and see where it leads.</p>

<p>Is prejudice still a personal choice and therefore ok?</p>

<p>*It’s not that hard for me to imagine a Christian student in college today finding his or her self always on the defensive, always having their views questioned. That would be tough. *</p>

<p>I agree- life is tough.</p>

<p>I can imagine that a student who has grown up feeling like their views are " right", that their path is the correct one- and that others who simply haven’t seen the light yet are the ones whose minds & hearts need to be changed- would have a difficult time in a place where they could be frustrated by others refusal to be ashamed, to be even proud of being who they are ( even if it is " against the teachings" ), to the point of exaggerating behaviors.</p>

<p>However IMO, college is a place & time for everyone to open up their heart and mind to new ideas, to look at things with a critical eye and to start to shape themselves into the diamond they could become, from that piece of carbon with a high school diploma.</p>

<p>Those who describe themselves as Christian are not the only ones having their views questioned. Not if they are at the right school.</p>

<p>“Yeah, we’re tolerant of everything. Except those things we can’t tolerate.”</p>

<p>That reminds me of a line in an old Jim Croce song, “Which Way Are You Goin’”: </p>

<p>“Let them live in freedom, if they live like me.”</p>

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<p>Some may think that getting a good education includes broadening one’s horizons. But others see college as the way to learn to be a teacher or accountant or whatever.</p>

<p>“It seems to me that if anyone’s being done a disservice here by the application of this double standard (where some individuals are forced to defend their views and made to feel unwelcome while others are coddled), it’s not actually the Christian guy.”</p>

<p>Do you mean that you’ve never met a gay Christian? Come on.</p>

<p>Some may think that getting a good education includes broadening one’s horizons. But others see college as the way to learn to be a teacher or accountant or whatever.</p>

<p>I guess I am having a hard time seeing how that is mutually exclusive.
Especially if you are planning to be an educator?
Shouldn’t you be * most* interested in new ideas?</p>

<p>[“Simultaneously, however, it’s important for a gay student to have an experience in a “supportive environment” where for four years he will never have to explain his lifestyle choices to anyone who questions them, disagrees with them, or finds them troubling. He will never encounter literature which presents an alternate view of his lifestyle, in class or out, nor will quesitoning of his lifestyle”]</p>

<p>Lifestyle choices? I’m sorry, but you seem to imply that being gay is a personal choice. It is my impression, from what I’ve heard from gay people I know and from what I’ve read on the subject, that being gay mostly comes from within the person. Who would CHOOSE a lifestyle that exposes men or women to ridicule, bigotry, and evil treatment from the “morally upright” police?</p>