Vaccine policy is run by each individual state, the CDC is not the end all authority. Let’s not forget how many times they have been wrong. Florida has been handling this issue superbly and I have complete faith in the Doctor’s conclusions.
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Please also post statistics on vaccine injuries. And let’s not forget that medical and religious exemptions are perfectly legal.
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More food for thought re: long lasting effects of not vaccinating against measles. The effects are beyond protection against measles - it increases odds of fighting other illnesses.
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Again, the issue in FL is not that anyone is being forced to immunize. The issue is that unimmunized people who were exposed to measles are not being required to quarantine, to stop the spread of measles, in direct contradiction of CDC policy.
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Dear Parents/Guardians:
There is a cluster of measles cases that has been identified at Manatee Bay Elementary. The Florida department of Health (DOH) is continuously working with all partners, including Broward County Public Schools and local hospitals, to identify close contacts. Measles can be transmitted four days prior to the start of symptoms. When measles is detected in a school, it is normally recommended that individuals without history of prior infection or vaccination stay home for up to 21 days. This is the period of time that the virus can be transmitted.
Individuals with a history of prior infection or vaccination who have received the full series of the Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) immunization are 98% protected and are unlikely to contract measles. Up to 90% of individuals without immunity will contract measles if exposed.
Because of the high likelihood of infection, it is normally recommended that children stay home until the end of the infectious period, which is currently March 7, 2024. As the epidemiological investigation continues, this date could change.
However, due to the high immunity rate in the community, as well as the burden on families and educational cost of healthy children missing school, DOH is deferring to parents or guardians to make decisions about school attendance. This recommendation may change as epidemiological investigations continue.
Broward County School District is prepared to provide continuous learning to all children at Manatee Bay Elementary School whose parents/guardians choose to keep them at home. If someone in your household contracts measles, all members of the household should consider themselves exposed and monitor symptoms.
Because your child may have already been exposed, you should watch your child for signs and symptoms of the disease, including a rash that often develops on the face and neck before spreading to the rest of the body. Other symptoms include high fever, which can reach 105°F, cough, runny nose, and red, watery eyes. All children presenting with symptoms of illness should not attend school until symptoms have fully subsided without medication.
If you suspect or notice any of the above symptoms, contact your health care provider to receive instructions on how to safely seek medical attention prior to visiting a clinic or hospital. This will prevent additional exposure among other patients. Do not abruptly visit your health care provider or DOH-Broward without contacting them ahead of time. To support parents/guardians making informed decisions, a document with frequently asked questions is attached to this letter.
/ Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD
State Surgeon General
Read the letter.
Public health mandates are balanced between individual rights and public protection. The letter states the outbreaks are limited to specific schools. The fact that MMR protects against measles. The reasoning for unvaccinated kids to be kept at home and watched for signs of measles. It is urged to keep them home but ethically first calls for voluntary compliance versus a mandate (and it also says subject to change).
This doesn’t involve 6 month old babies.
All children who attend Florida schools (public or private) are required to be immunized in order to protect themselves and other children from potentially harmful and even fatal, vaccine-preventable diseases in accordance with Chapter 1003.22(4), Florida Statutes (FS), and Chapter 64D-3.046, Florida Administrative …Jan 4, 2024
Florida law requires that all children receive vaccines protecting against diphtheria, tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, and other diseases for child care center or school attendance.
How to opt out…
Medical. A formal Medical Exemption may be completed for persons with certain medical conditions and/or contraindications (permanent or temporary) to certain vaccines. A letter from the student’s physician or the official State of Florida Medical Exemption form must be submitted to the SHCC.
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Infants too young to have been immunized routinely go with their parents to places where older children congregate - schools (for pickup and drop off), activities, church, etc. Even if their parents got them their first MMR on time shortly after their first bday, they’d be unlikely to have developed any immunity before they’re 13 months old - and not everyone gets in for their checkup the day they turn 12 months!
If exposed, unimmunized children are not quarantined for 21 days, they are extremely likely to have contracted measles and to spread it to any unimmunized or vulnerable people with whom they come into contact - infants under 13 months old, and older people with chronic indolent lymphomas who have been treated with B-lymphocyte depleting regimens.
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Back in the day before mmr in the early 60s I had mumps, measles, rubella, chicken pox, Hong Kong flu, pneumonia etc… Lol. I really wouldn’t want my kids or at some point grand kids to go through that if they didn’t need to.
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I’m not debating any of that. In fact the unimmunized probably have it before any symtoms appear. HIPPA laws prevent singling out the unvaccinated.
This particular thread focus is not to debate the need for vaccines. Florida requires vaccines to enter child care or school. It’s about mandating vs voluntary quarantine of unvaccinated kids who most likely (as you point out) have already been exposed. The letter clearly urges to keep kids home and reasons to vaccinate.
The legalities of mandating quarantines have been fought in other states. Ethical guidelines call for voluntary quarantine as a first measure. Lapado clearly does that.
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Measles is amazingly contagious. I recall an article published during an outbreak among very religious (Hasidic) Jews in Brooklyn, where I live in a nonreligious neighborhood. It cited research stating that droplets from a sneeze of an infected person in an elevator could infect others a full hour later.
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Several years ago - I think there was an outbreak staring at Disneyland - DH and I got a measles booster. We only got one shot, might be time for a titer and another update.
Not getting yourself or your kids vaccinated with THIS PARTICULAR vaccine is - IMHO - stupid.
That said…the last 4 year of vaccine mandates, has left its effect. Add to this the fact that the CDC et.al. has yet to come out and say much about what went -I’ll be kind and say ‘sideways’ - worked against us. ‘Vaccine’ in the last 4 years has not meant a high level of protection against getting the disease (and look how long it took to migrate from 'you will not get COVID - to - You can’t spread COVID - to You have a high degree of full protection but still might get a mild case - to well, you can spread it and get it if you get the vaccine but you should still do it anyway - to the latest booster gets you about 60 days ‘protection’ - to the latest acceptance of the booster at about 17%).
Politicians being what they are, will take advantage of any situation. And that’s what’s happening here.
It will take some effort by the CDC to recoup the level of lost trust. This might be a good time…there are billboards in Florida…start there.
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I wish people knew what it was like to have vulnerable family members. I have a SiL who is currently in the Florida area in question on the vacation they have been trying to take for about a year but only now finally got arranged. Back home she has a newborn baby granddaughter. She is herself vulnerable since she is recovering from her latest round of chemo. The thought was, off season, not many crowds, people are good. next chemo starts soon, she needs a break. They drove, rather than risk airports.
But they decided to come back early and are leaving the state today, for fear of encountering the widening gyre of contagious people. Is that these anti-vax parents’ fault? I think so. It’s perfectly fine (imho unwise, but you do you) to reject vaccination. It is NOT fine to not own the responsibility that comes with it — quarantining is part of the price of being unvaccinated. Disregard for other people’s safety is never a good look.
It’s always personal. For everyone. For both sides. We could spend a bit more time on empathy and a little less on snark.
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100% agree. Measles is one of the most contagious viruses:
Measles is a contagious infection—even more infectious than COVID-19. While one person with COVID-19 can infect one to three others, one person with measles can infect as many as 18 other susceptible individuals. This airborne virus remains infectious for up to two hours after an infected individual leaves an area.
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This. Let’s start with an honest conversation. Not one that begins from ‘you’re and idiot if you don’t do this’ or ‘you’re a dictator if you require it’.
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Well, maybe 96-97% of them – there is a small percentage of people who do not get enough immune response from measles vaccination. But herd immunity in non-Florida places is typically enough to protect them.
Adults who received measles vaccination as children in the early days (1963-1968) may have gotten a less effective vaccine, so they may want to get boosted with a measles or MMR dose.
Note that measles can reduce previously-acquired immunity against other viral diseases, so someone who gets measles should consider getting revaccinated against other viral diseases.
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Until Wakefield started pushing the MMR vaccine → autism narrative in a (now-retracted) paper in 1998.
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I missed that one – I was either a senior at UW (spring) or starting out in Chicago (summer-fall-winter). Was there a bruhaha?
Wakefield’s MMR vaccine → autism narrative was the basis for much of the anti-vaccine sentiment in the '00s-'10s.
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