FL surgeon gen'l does NOT mandate unvaxxed kids quarantine after measles exposure!

Unbelievable. He should lose his license. His first priority seems to be DOING harm.

Tell your family in FL or visiting FL to get their infants who are 6 -12 months old a dose of the MMR (the way we do for infants traveling to 3rd world countries with poor prevalence of vaccination). It usually is not administered until 12 months old because younger infants’ immune systems are not developed enough to be sure that they will mount an immune response to the vaccine, so in a setting with no measles, it made sense to wait until at least 12 months. However, by age 6 months, 75% of infants do respond and do become immune, so if there is measles in the area, it is better to give a first dose at 6 months old. By 12 months, over 90% respond to one dose, and the second dose (given at least 1 month later) brings the response up to about 98%, although it is preferable to have the second dose given at 15 months or later (but that was when measles was practically unheard of, in the US, not like now, when FL has decided to just let measles sweep through the community, since so many children are unvaccinated, and of course, all infants under 12 months are unvaccinated).

For infants under 6 months, the youngest do have some protection from mom that passed via the placenta, but that is usually gone by 4-5 months old. Breastfeeding can continue to pass some antibodies after that. I don’t think it has been studied, but I believe it makes sense in an epidemic setting (which we will very soon have in FL) for breastfeeding moms to get an MMR in order to boost their antibody titer, so that more antibodies will pass to the baby in the breast milk. It is best not to freeze the milk, and not to expose the milk to heat if defrosting it, since heat will destroy the antibodies in the milk.

This would be a fantastic study to do in FL pediatrics offices right now - to give breastfeeding moms who are in for the 2 or 4 months checkup with their babies MMR boosters, and then see if it decreased the chance of measles infection before the baby was 6 months old (when it should receive a first dose, itself).

Never did I think I would see a time when a state surgeon general would ignore science so blatantly. Measles is usually mild, but not always. Some children will die in FL from this. Others will later develop subacute sclerosing panencephalits, a prolonged and terminal neurological disease that shows up as much as 8 years after measles infection in those under 2 years old. It is due to persistent measles virus infection in the brain. I’ve never seen it. Pediatricians training today, however, will see it during the course of their careers, since so many unvaccinated children or infants too young to have been immunized are about to contract measles in FL (and probably all over the country, as Disney vacationing families bring home an unwelcome souvenir to their home communities).

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He is a complete idiot and should lose his license and be responsible for the outbreak that will occur.

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I feel like I’m living in Orwell’s 1984.

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Seriously. Florida is becoming an experimental petri dish for medicine. He should be responsible for the deaths on the young that will happen and impairment. It’s really sad what has become some people’s norm.

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Sadly the mliltary stationed in FL and their families can’t just up and leave because of whatever is going on.

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Seems to me like Florida is insuring we keep our freedoms. Feel free to move to NY or CA. Enjoy.

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Reminder that this isn’t the political forum. Political references in the OP edited by moderator.

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Just another reason I would urge young people to rethink Florida as a state to head to college. One of many.

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Immunized people are of course safe from this. Unfortunately, those younger than 6 months cannot be immunized because their immature immune systems don’t mount an adequate response, plus it will take years before the healthcare system slowly lumbers along towards moving the age of first MMR down to 6 months old, the way it is for infants lucky enough to have access to it in wealthy, advanced societies such as Yemen, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan.

The real issue for college students is the safety of women who are of reproductive age. Just saw a story in the Washington Post of a young woman in TX who was denied (twice, by two different hospital OB-GYNs, on two successive days), life saving surgery for what was at the time an obvious ectopic pregnancy identified on ultrasound. Through a private connection, her mother was able to find a GYN who was willing to operate on her daughter, before her fallopian tube ruptured, which could have caused her to bleed to death.

People think that they’ll have time to travel to obtain the medical care that they need, and in most cases they will - but not always. Even those with means to do so, cannot travel when they are medically unstable.

And measles won’t stay in FL. Measles is possibly the most contagious virus we know of, and FL is a big tourism state, not only for the immune elderly, but also for families with vulnerable children. Everyone walking through an airport will be exposed. The masses at Disney World will be exposed. People going on cruises with young children and infants will be exposed. Spring break for elementary schools will be the last week of March and the first week of April this year (since Easter is March 31st). Expect a surge in measles throughout the nation beginning in mid April.

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Where would you urge them to go? To states that will fire them from their job or dis enroll them from college if they don’t put in their body a new vaccination ?

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So what you are saying is my “body my choice”, just not as it pertains to vaccines? Sounds like “idiocy”.

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I get the outcry for personal autonomy and liberty, but come on – it’s MMR. We all got it as kids. It wasn’t a big deal even for libertarians in the height of the Reagan era. It is common sense.(historical perspective, not political…)

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“My body my choice”, isn’t that the popular saying.

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Yes, but this is an entirely different issue. MMR has, forever, been a non-issue.

“Death, taxes, MMR shot…”

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A reminder that College Confidential is not a debate society. Make your point and move on.

While the MMR is considered to be a very effective vaccine, its effectiveness can decline over time. If it has been decades since your last vaccination, you can have your doctor test your measles tiger to see if you need a booster. I had mine tested and needed a booster a few years ago.

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Absolutely! While pregnant with my S, I was tested … my immunity had waned. Our pediatrician took it very seriously, having me come in through the back door directly into a sanitized room when I brought older child there while I was pregnant. I had a booster immediately after S was born.

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The issue is that the surgeon general of FL has decided not to follow the standard CDC guideline that unimmunized children who have been exposed to measles quarantine for 21 days post-exposure, to decrease the likelihood of spreading measles. If this guideline is not followed, then measles will spread rapidly, not only among children whose parents have chosen not to immunize them, but also among infants too young to be immunized, among immunosuppressed children who cannot be immunized, and among fully vaccinated people who are on immunosuppressive chemo regimens. Fatal Measles Virus Infection After Rituximab-Containing Chemotherapy in a Previously Vaccinated Patient - PMC.

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