Flawed yet rigorous transcript--where to look?

<p>Ok, here’s the thing.</p>

<p>I’m sure the GC mentions that rank is a composite of magnet school and less challenging public school. And I’m sure GC mentions the rigor of courses and the large percentage of the student body being National Merit Finalists. </p>

<p>So, a 3.2 is really not that bad - when paired with a 32 ACT, though, it’s less impressive. I hope she takes the SAT since her PSAT scores are very much off the chart.</p>

<p>I go to UMCP so I can give you a run down of what I perceive the strengths/weaknesses of the school to be. I do think if you come to visit American/etc. you should check it out. The government building is “Tydings” so be sure to check out what’s in front of it, behind it, etc. to really get a feel for what areas of campus you’ll see most. The tour can take you to some weird and ugly locations that sometimes don’t reflect where you’ll actually spend your time (such as the stadium…don’t really spend time there myself…lol).</p>

<p>Strengths:</p>

<ol>
<li>Huge Jewish community, Hillel, Hillel diner, etc.</li>
<li>Great location near DC with metro access and all that DC has to offer, but still far enough outside that you get a traditional campus vibe (huge green lawns, strong sports, student activities on campus out the wazoo)</li>
<li>The student groups very frequently bring in local politicians (and sometimes not so local, such as Obama’s multiple visits to campus), sponsor debates, go on trips to lobby state and federal gov, etc. </li>
<li>Good internship connections due to location, professors</li>
<li>Very strong history classes (a political science major should hopefully be interested in taking a few!), new English building (I’ve found English classes, however, to be more hit or miss than history in terms of the rigor)</li>
<li>Also a UMD for Green Energy club that is SUPER active, a good environmental science major (there is also an environmental science and POLICY major), an “EcoHouse” living-learning program, and has been rated consistently as one of the “greenest” schools in the nation in terms of sustainability efforts/etc.</li>
</ol>

<p>Weaknesses</p>

<ol>
<li>The school which houses the poli sci department is huge and one of the most overcrowded at MD. That said, the government classes are capped to government majors only, so the sizes of these classes and attention you get from the profs are fine - the problem comes with the academic advising, which I found to be very bureaucratic and crappy.<br></li>
<li>Some government majors have been protesting the fact that there is more of an emphasis on “quantitative” rather than “qualitative” classes. So, less political philosophy classes, more classes that are more practical. I don’t really know if I agree with this argument, though - we do have a philosophy department, and I imagine if you are into political philosophy you don’t have to restrict yourself to the gov school</li>
<li>Some government majors have also been protesting lack of focus on underrepresented regions, such as Latin America, Africa, etc. And more focus on the Middle East, China, and other “hotspots”. This is true - the gvpt school does cater its offerings towards things that are more recent or popular, and there’s even a “terrorism studies” minor (eww, in my opinion, but some could say interesting and useful). At the same time, they recently hired three new faculty to try and teach some of the less represented areas, so they heard the complaints and listened.</li>
<li>Generally, the profs are moderate. This is another thing students have mentioned that may or may not be seen as a bad thing by your D. But they tend to try to be really balanced, rather than very radical or biased</li>
<li>Introductory classes are often big and not very challenging (so, you might have sit through some classes with dumb, unmotivated students the first or second semester…)</li>
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<p>One that is both a +/- : Yes, there is huge Greek Life/party scene. Yes, there is also a sizable activist community /etc. Something for everyone.</p>

<p>It’s definitely a VERY different school than many on the list, such as Claremont McKenna, etc. It is NOT a small school by any stretch of the imagination. Sometimes you go to a popular club meeting and there are 50 people there (50 very friendly people, but still 50 people). Sometimes you go to club meetings with only around 10 members, too, though, of course. Sometimes you feel like your advisor doesn’t give a crap about you (sometimes they do, but sometimes they really don’t). The intro classes can be big and there can be unmotivated kids in them (can make discussions a drag, depending on your group). Make of that what you will - I have had great TAs (some with PhDs and impressive resumes themselves and coming back for a second!) and approachable profs in the gov and history school no matter the class, so it doesn’t bother me at all, but I realize it’s different from the small school experience. To me, the hustle and bustle, always something new to do, someone new to meet, people everywhere, totally outweights the few intro courses I had to take (yes, you’ll test out of a lot with those AP credits!) or the time I felt shy at a club meeting…</p>

<p>I agree Bard is in the middle of nowhere. My son HATED the campus. He felt like it was too many buildings in the woods with no center. Loved the academic approach though!</p>

<p>Second that you must get an interview at U of Rochester. The guy who came to talk from their admissions office at our school said they “Really, really, really, really, really want students to interview.” Yup - 5 really’s!</p>

<p>USC just LOVES high NMSF’s, in spite of a few low grades. Of course, the obvious downside is Greek presence at 'SC.</p>

<p>Ptizer should be doable.</p>

<p>Emory’s Greek scene is a lot smaller than it appears, IMO.</p>

<p>btw: with such a high psat, why is she even wasting time on the ACT? Just to avoid subject tests?</p>

<p>Vassar is a wonderful school (disclaimer: son attends) but Poughkeepsie is not a nice city. Although one can take the train to NYC - few do on any kind of regular basis. It is pretty much a bubble campus. That being said, the academics are as wonderful as the library.</p>

<p>Given the PSAT score, I’ve mentioned USC, painful as it was to this UC graduate. :slight_smile: No interest on D1’s part. She’s seen NYU when we were on a family trip to NYC; no significant interest. Fordham is worth checking as she did like Manhattan. I’ve tried floating Barnard since she liked Columbia. No dice. I foolishly promised to not raise the women’s college option again as the price for her agreeing to tour Bryn Mawr, otherwise I’d raise paying3tuition’s wisdom about looking at your male/female mix of friends when considering single sex schools. I’ll just find some other adult to pass on the wisdom. :D</p>

<p>As if I wasn’t already convinced of the importance of visiting U of R, all those “reallys” sealed it. :slight_smile: We are planning on a visit at the end of the summer. Really!</p>

<p>PSAT and ACT scores: D1’s been taking the PSAT since 8th grade, but the 11th grade score was a big big jump from previous scores. She’s said she doesn’t know if she can match it on the SAT; of course, there’s only one way to find out. There was a method to the madness in doing the ACT first, but no need to bore anyone with that :). She has done SAT IIs in World History (after the AP course in 9th grade, I think a 680) and Math II (720? 740?) earlier this year since they’re needed for UCs. </p>

<p>umcp11, thanks for the detailed look at your school. More info to be passed on so she can see if it’s of interest. I think she will see the moderate professors as a plus rather than a minus; though her politics are decidedly liberal, she appreciates hearing a spectrum of opinion. She is not adverse to big schools (Cal, Pitt).</p>

<p>Slithey: Isn’t Fordham Catholic?</p>

<p>rodney, yes, and it looks like there’s not much of a Jewish community there. [How</a> I Invented Jewish Studies at My Catholic University | Jewcy.com](<a href=“http://www.jewcy.com/post/how_i_invented_jewish_studies_my_catholic_university]How”>http://www.jewcy.com/post/how_i_invented_jewish_studies_my_catholic_university). I thought there was a hillel, but there’s apparently not.</p>

<p>I suggested Fordham, not because Fordham itself has an active Jewish community, but because it has a fair number of Jewish students, and the surrounding community is (along with Jerusalem) the center of Jewish life in the world. And I think it has decent political science and would be a safety for the OP’s daughter.</p>

<p>UMD was on S2’s list because it’s in-state, a likely and we know a lot of kids from selective programs who go there with their boatloads of AP/IB credit and merit $$ and are quite happy. Otherwise, smaller schools are his thing, having decided that BU, Pitt and NYU were too large for him. I believe UMD has 19% of its students who identify as Jewish. </p>

<p>I will say that Southern Cal to URoch may be a bit of weather shock! OTOH, S1 visited UChicago for the first time in a January blizzard, called me from the Quad and said, “I could spend four years here.” And so he is.</p>

<p>umcp11, thanks for the VERY useful on-the-ground info on the gov’t dept. My network of info sources tends towards the science/math/cs/engineering side, so this was a much-appreciated perspective.</p>

<p>Close friend of my son’s is at Chapman U. in Orange County. He is NMF and got a very generous scholarship - no more expensive than a UC for him, and possibly less now due to fee hikes. He’s become very involved in Hillel there. Very strong in performing arts, also has an honors program. He’s not in the honors program - film professors strongly encourage their students not to try to do both film and honors, as they both take a lot of time. He likes hanging out with the honors students though, says they’re smart and interesting.</p>

<p>I think OP’s D will have great choices, and there have been some good ideas here. She will probably be offered merit money at some of these schools. Her grades are similar to S2, but she has very strong test scores and activities.</p>

<p>Regarding AU, another option would be to take advantage of their Washington Semester program. Many of the schools suggested here are part of their program where you can spend a semester taking some classes at AU and doing an internship. You can go to AU web-site where they have a list of member schools.</p>

<p>(S2 has applied to poly sci/government programs, and Washington semester was one of his criteria. Some schools have their own program, others use AU.)</p>

<p>To me, with this option, you get the best of both worlds - good LAC foundation, and Washington exposure.</p>

<p>To Counting Down–</p>

<p>I’m a Clark alum. One of my classmates went on to become a rabbi. Are his initials VR?</p>

<p>If she likes Pitzer and Pomona she should definitely look at Scripps.
From my Ca city the Pitzer results have been odd. It looks like they look at the whole person. I know kids with good not great grades and low scores who got in. All 3 were female with excellent writing skills. But I also know of at least 3 females who did not get in with above 4.0 UC GPA. One of them got into UCLA but not Pitzer. There seemed no rhyme or reason to the results.</p>

<p>UCONN, rural, but lots around it & plenty to do, if she changes her mind about major, plenty to pick from… active Hillel organization, an alum donated mega bucks to Hillel.
Greek Life does not impact the social life at UCONN, about 10% I believe live in University housing, called “Husky Village”. </p>

<p>Drew University has political science and Hillel, students can take the train into NYC.</p>