Cannot have a gas oven… limited by gas meter size and I don’t even want to start trying to get SDGE to upgrade the gas meter.
If I decide to put in a range it will have to be dual fuel with electric oven below burners
Oops, I forgot that. Dual fuel is great, but expensive.
Is a dual fuel range with one electric wall oven more or less expensive than a rangetop and two electric wall ovens?
How many cars will fit on the garage?
Having a really really bad day. Cannot find anyone at engineer’s office that can even tell me when my plans will be ready to get back to the City. They know I have appointments scheduled all day Thursday.
City Structural Engineer has informed me that he did everything he could to get a fire sprinkler exemption. I have to remove 115 sq ft somewhere to get under the threshold or I cough up $7,000 (probably more) to put in sprinklers. I have decided to wall off portions of the old garage as ‘not accessible’ space and it can be eliminated from the calculation. Sent a revised drawing into engineer with marks on where we are going to have to wall things up (losing 115 sq ft of storage in old garage area). Luckily he called me back and discussed the changes and sounded agreeable to making these changes so that I can avoid fire sprinkler requirement.
I had a chance to talk with the City Zoning guy who barfed all over the plans. He basically railed into me that my ‘Designer’ didn’t know anything about Zoning and all of the corrections need to be made and resubmitted. I finally got him to agree to review the plans with me just to make sure he has everything he needs prior to review. He insisted he would need another 10 days for internal review ‘and probably more corrections’ for another round of review. He told me I should personally go to design office and double check every single correction to make sure it is done and indexed correctly.
So… I call the engineer and gently ask if I can come in on Wednesday afternoon and double check everything. He goes ballistic and tells me I need to march right into City and demand to have someone else review the plans. And, under no circumstances does he have any time for me to sit in the office and make changes on the plans at the last minute (I can kind of understand that).
We will see what tomorrow brings.
Meanwhile, concrete demolition of driveway is almost done. I loaded some photos
Is a dual fuel range with one electric wall oven more?
MUCH more.
That is awesome news.
Pro style dual fuel range alone is pretty expensive. But I found a Kitchen Aid floor model at $3,400. But that eats a lot of the budget and I may not be able to get separate wall oven. My bigger concern is that having both eats up a lot of cabinet space and I don’t have a good place for large drawers for pots and pans near the stove. The best solution is big drawers under a cooktop
Was that the best deal for the built in range?
Do people really like to bake with gas? The gas ovens I’ve used (which, granted, have not been multi-thousand dollar appliances) have been pretty terrible - very uneven heat and hard to regulate.
Dual fuel doesn’t seem worth the price, and I think the number of people who will actually care enough to walk away from the house over it is vanishingly small. And if they are that fussy about it, they won’t be happy no matter what you do and will want to change it anyway. Don’t try to target such a small percentage of potential buyers.
Still searching for a good deal on a wall oven microwave combo with convection in both units and self cleaning. Found a deal on GE thanks to one of our CCers which expires at end of this week but my agent wants to try for higher end brand name
One of the ovens in my KitchenAid double oven wall unit has convection, and the number of times we’ve used it in 15 years is… zero.
Do people actually use the convection feature?
I googled “double wall oven microwave combo with convection” and it looks like they all have one regular oven and a microwave… are there ones with two regular ovens and a microwave?
what width wall oven?
here’s a Thermador with free delivery
https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/MEDMC301J.html
I can do a 30" wide oven.
I use convection all the time so I assume its a desireable feature
i agree - for the oven-
I’m not so sure its necessary for the micro.
I ordered a new Dacor one, thinking it would be great but it has less power - 900 W than my old Dacor non convection one 1200 W.
in addition, the convection requirement for micros GREATLY restricts the number of manufacturers and subsequently increases the price, since only top end vendors make convection micros- Dacor, Wolf, Thermador etc., etc.
I would not LIVE W/O my Dacor 30 convection oven.
Advice needed: I like the slide-in look better (link below) rather than what I currently have which is a 30" wall oven in my island and a gas cooktop right above it. Is there any design rule or reason that says I can’t use the following lovely appliance in my future remodel?
http://www.subzero-wolf.com/wolf/ranges/dual-fuel/30-inch-dual-fuel-range-4-burners
Of course there’s no such design rule. “Design rules” went out with our grandmothers.
I think that you need two real wall ovens, preferably with convection in at least one. The microwave can live in one of those little microwave cabinets.
Those I know who have convection use it all the time.
A $1.5+ house with one oven? No. And the wall ovens need to be as big in their interior as you can fit.
When we moved into this house, the kitchen had a 36" Thermador electric cooktop with 4 burners and a grill/griddle in the middle, which I loved, despite not being gas. It also had two large Thermador wall ovens. The top one was self-cleaning, and was vented over to the main fan over the cooktop, so you could broil in it without filling the house with smoke. That was a decent arrangement. Unfortunately, when the ovens died, we could not afford to replace them with the equivalent, which would have cost about $5K, so I ended up with smaller interior ovens, one “regular” and the other half as high. Neither is large enough inside to accept my large roasting pan due to the interior space given over to insulation. Not only side to side, but front to back.
@consolation, a $1.5 house doesn’t need 2 ovens. Our house is WAY over that and one oven has been plenty. Of course when our midwest relatives first came to see our expensive “mansion” (price compare) they bewilderly said "but this is a nice $$ house, but no WAY is it over a million! The market in CA is … different.
Also people need room to grill more than they need another oven.
Do you never cook Thanksgiving dinner? Grilling is all very well and good but I need to be able to use two ovens at once.
I’m not from the midwest. I grew up in sophisticated places where housing is quite expensive, such as Southern Fairfield County, CT. People expect two ovens. I understand that outdoor living is more feasible in San Diego. Nevertheless, all of the houses that @coralbook has linked to that are selling for more $$ have at least two ovens.