Flip This House - The Reality

<p>Some of you have indicated that you have an interest in following a real-life house flip in action. I promise to tell the real story without added drama, embellishment or lies about profits and costs. Since I am somewhat anonymous as a Mom with a college-bound only child, I don’t need to do anything but tell the truth. </p>

<p>Let me just start by letting you all know MY JOB IS NOT GLAMOROUS. At first I thought I was going to be like some of those women on TV… standing around in high heels in really cool clothes with a perfect hairdo, holding a paint brush and putting swatches of color on the walls. Yes, I get to do that but that is about 1 hour of hundreds across many months of scrubbing toilets. And, inevitably, as soon as I put those swatches of paint on the walls, I accidentally lean into one of them and have ruined another shirt :slight_smile: </p>

<p>Background:
As I move towards my emotional empty nest I have been ramping up my business. I have been making a living flipping distressed properties for over 5 years now. I got into the business just when I realized that I saw my layoff looming as a computer system project manager. My husband used to explain my corporate execute job as ‘professional nagger’.</p>

<p>I am self-taught. I researched everything, read books and then spent over 3 months just sitting down at the courthouse steps watching the auctions, learning who the big players were, researching the properties they bought and didn’t buy. I came to realize that this is definitely a full time job - you cannot attend daily foreclosure auctions without your daytime job noticing you missing.</p>

<p>For the last 4 years I have focused on buying foreclosures at the courthouse steps. This is not for the faint of heart. You have to pay all cash - it is extremely scary to walk around seedy downtown areas with hundreds of thousands in cashier’s checks in your purse! You cannot go inside the houses. You get a list of properties coming up for auction and I have to drive every house to determine it’s condition from the outside, try to figure out if it is occupied (because then you are going to have to evict the occupants and that is not fun), then I go to the Recorder’s Office and I have to do a title chain history by myself. I spent $4,000 for training from a personal mentor when I first started out. I can do title research better than someone working in a title office now. Then I have to make sure there aren’t any IRS liens or huge back property taxes on the property. So, after doing all that for about 10 properties a day I have to crunch numbers on what I think the fixed up future value of the property will be, what renovation costs will be (without having any idea what condition the house is in) get to the auction and it gets postponed or cancelled. Start all over the next day and repeat. For several years there were close to 400 properties a day coming up for auction - because I am only one person I had to target just a few neighborhoods.</p>

<p>For the last 6 months in my market there has been a huge influx of big money coming in and buying up everything in San Diego County. We’re talking Chinese, South African, you name it… they have big pockets. So, competition at the courthouse steps is too fierce. These entities are paying full retail for properties, slapping paint on them and holding on to them as rentals. I believe that their business plan is to hold for appreciation in the 2-3 year time frame. Needless to say I cannot compete with them, that is not my business plan. I’ve given up on the auctions and am trying to buy regularly listed homes. So, I have had to dig really deep to try to find anything I can buy for a project.</p>

<p>CURRENT PROJECT:
I started this thread to showcase my current project and we can follow along with the trials and tribulations. I have been searching for a property for over 10 weeks now - cannot get my hands on anything. It has been really difficult. So, just last week I crawled through two possibilities:</p>

<h1>1 Excellent hot neighborhood, historic area. 1925 craftsman that the City has almost condemned. Small lot, no garage, overgrown with weeds, roof caving in, but original craftsman features inside the house. An extreme hoarder had been living in the house and passed away. Daughter showed up and just walked away - never cleaned it out. She just put it up for sale ‘as is’. There is disgusting trash piled at least 5 feet high throughout the house - every inch. Just like the Hoarder Show on TV. I had to put a gas mask on to go through this house. Rats were scurrying everywhere. The trash consisted of discarded take-out food cartons and hundreds and hundreds of empty cat food cans. Cat feces everywhere. My lead contractor was gagging and left the house saying No Way. You get the picture. Did I mention glamorous?? Asking price $350,000, worth $590,000 if it could be fixed up to perfection.</h1>

<h1>2 Small 3 bed/1 bath house 1,000 sf with large deep lot, 2 car garage on alley. 1925 built but not a lot of character. In a historic neighborhood within walking distance to shops and restaurants. More inland, less value in the neighborhood. Surrounded by cute craftsman houses that have been fixed up. This house was owned by a derelict absentee landlord. Same tenants had lived in it for 20 years. This house is absolutely disgusting, stinks, urine smell, 70s shag carpet that has turned black, poorly constructed, galvanized plumbing is disintegrating, knob and tube wiring that has to be completely replaced, garage roof has caved in, house roof had 6 layers of shingles (very dangerous) and all of the fascia and rafters were termite damaged. Ceilings too low - only 7’3". Overgrown weed lot. Asking price $375,000, worth $435,000 fixed up.</h1>

<p>Stay tuned for which one I purchased.</p>

<p>Love that you are taking us on for the ride. I like #1 but wonder what you think the $ is to fix it to $590,000. And how long it will take–time is $…
The low ceilings in #2 are a deal breaker for me. Helped friends problem solve when they bought a house with low ceilings and they did do well and have a lovely home. Still, those ceilings will make selling for them a bear.</p>

<p>7’3" is legal ceiling height. so there is no problem from City’s perspective. I would not buy it if there is a problem reselling. The cost/benefit factor is too tight for #2, I won’t touch it.</p>

<p>I thought if you buy stuff on the steps, you cannot see the inside and you have to evict the tenants, how come you can see inside of those 2 you listed now?</p>

<p>I have had no luck at the courthouse steps for over 10 weeks. These two were listed in the MLS and are regular sale. So, I was able to get inside and do a thorough inspection. However, they are in such horrible condition that only investors with cash are allowed to make offers on these properties. The properties will not qualify for any bank loan.</p>

<p>I will add that I was not able to do a thorough inspection of #1 because we couldn’t get in the attic, couldn’t even see the floors, couldn’t get into the bathroom and couldn’t get into the crawlspace under the house.</p>

<p>If so, you need to wait. The era of flip house is over after April 2013. Nothing in my area can qualify for flip houses, auction or otherwise. House #1 most likely is a torn down or have major foundation issues, there is no such thing on MLS today will give you such a big margin.</p>

<p>I am selling my last flip house, bought 162, put in 60 and selling 369 today. The only reason I am selling is that house is its in a bad neighborhood.</p>

<p>We have some friends who do this, own about 45-50 properties right now (a cc mom, hello if you’re reading this)! I think it is much easier to do it in my area (Seattle) than yours. We still even have some reasonable short sales on MLS, though they are hard to find. </p>

<p>Have you considered condos? What is the market there for condos? Working on houses with such issues sounds ridiculously hard to make a profit. I would completely toss #2, not enough profit margin for the work.
What about FSBO, are there any decent sales out there?</p>

<p>Thanks for taking us through your journey. It is very interesting.</p>

<p>bd11,</p>

<p>In my area(SF), there is just nothing can be found, house or condo. You really have to take a big risk to cast a WIDE net to some BAD neighborhood where gun fight is the norm to get an economical feasible deal.</p>

<p>This will be interesting. Thanks for sharing.</p>

<p>Ooooooo, this will be fun. Like a TV show, only we get to ask questions and we get to hear about everything – not just the good stuff.</p>

<p>Coralbrook: Why are you even considering #2? I agree with those who point out that the potential profit is very very slim. You haven’t yet added into the cost of purchase the likely cost of repairs and carrying costs.</p>

<p>Love the idea of this thread!</p>

<p>My mind wants to see the results of #1 over #2, but have to admit you lost me a bit at “rats”!!!</p>

<p>Fascinating, thanks for sharing! So it’s not like Christina makes it look, the cool blonde wife of the flipper on TV (can’t remember the name of the show)? I figured it wasn’t LOL.</p>

<p>The profit margin on #2, as you describe it, seems way too tight. OTOH it’s hard to imagine properties in the condition you describe going for $350k, unless that is close to what an empty lot would cost in the neighborhood.</p>

<p>This is fascinating to me! What is the tear down value of #1? I saw a Hoarders show where they cleaned out the house only to find the foundation in such bad shape from the actual weight that tear down was the only option.</p>

<h1>2 doesn’t sound like the profit margin is there but I guess your contractor could figure it out.</h1>

<p>I’m excited to see which one you pick. Since I live in San Diego too I’m curious what neighborhoods each of the houses are in.</p>

<p>Just want to say it’ll be really cool to see and hear whatever you can share. Good luck finding things, I know here in LA many of the houses that aren’t in perfect condition are being snapped up by all-cash offers, get a new coat of paint, and then are relisted for rent. I’ve heard a lot of the money in on it is international, but that’s mostly what I’ve seen in the papers and real estate agents I’ve talked with.</p>

<p>Would also be unwilling for 2 with those too narrow margins for your hard work. 1 sounds like a lot of work too. Do you have someone else lined up since your contractor refused? Sounds like you’ll work hard for your money in 1.</p>

<p>Wait! OP in the other thread said she had bought house #1, so we really don’t have to dwell on the selection any more. I suppose it should work out. I hope the roof won’t cause much problem to the damages. I always look at the roof first before anything else.</p>

<p>^Go back and read the HGTV thread. </p>

<p>I think she bought house #2 - the one with absentee landlord.</p>

<p>Very excited to learn how this all turns out.</p>

<p>^My bad, those two presented all are hoarder’s house.</p>