<p>So younghoss, you’re a thoughtful guy. Do you think it preferable to run away from GZ and be thought of as a criminal “caught in the act” … or do you turn around to face your pursuer and risk getting “one in the chest?” (We already know what happens if you actually approach GZ. That wouldn’t be good. Who would post here in your place?)</p>
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<p>When the young woman on the phone with TM testified that he referred to GZ as a “creepy ass cracker” and a N, that may have sealed a verdict for GZ. To a jury of white females that may be viewed as “punk/thug” testoserone fueled talk by TM.</p>
<p>The prosecution’s successful efforts to keep some of the less than perfect aspects of TM’s life–pot, school expulsions, internet photos-- out of the trial may have just got wasted.</p>
<p>“The prosecution’s … efforts to keep … TM’s … pot … out of the trial may have just got wasted.”</p>
<p>Hand me another one of those brownies, Man. I got the munchies.</p>
<p>“creepy ass cracker” </p>
<p>He pretty much nailed it though.</p>
<p>So if a 17 year old boy talks like a… well, 17 year old boy, a jury should conclude he deserves to be shot? Because now he really is a scary black bad guy, correct? Having been the father of two once-teenaged boys (neither black) I find nothing surprising about Trayvon’s use of language in a phone conversation with his friend. That’s how teenagers (of many racial backgrounds) talk in the real world. Are any of the jury members parents of teenaged (or once teenaged) sons?</p>
<p>So Zimmerman calls Martin a $%&%$%^ punk and an $%^-hole, and that’s okay, but Martin referring to a guy following him as a “creepy ass cracker” and N… mean’s he’s testosterone-fueled?</p>
<p>I’m finding the reasoning of the pro-Zimmerman crowd to be fascinating.</p>
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It wasn’t until you posted that I realized that this didn’t mean that Trayvon thought Zimmerman needed a belt.</p>
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Who on this thread actually thinks that? It seems to me that 07Dad was saying that he was concerned that the turn of phrase could be construed in a negative way for the prosecution. Which it could. Who knows how words will hit someone.</p>
<p>It’s all on the emphasis I guess. Creepy ass CRACKER rather than creepy ASS cracker.</p>
<p>“I’m finding the reasoning of the pro-Zimmerman crowd to be fascinating.”</p>
<p>A fine upstanding citizen takes time from his shopping trip to “take out” a future gang-banger? What’s not to like? (Except maybe the difficulty explaining why he shot an unarmed kid in the kid’s own neighborhood. “The kid was threatening me with those Skittles. You watch a neighbor kid walking down the street with Skittles and see if YOU don’t wanna shoot him!”)</p>
<p>wow, it appears that TM’s character continues to be the real thing on trial. So he spoke as others have said, like a teenager, how bout we take into account his own state of mind, he was SCARED of this guy trailing him. how politically correct did his language need to be.</p>
<p>sheesh</p>
<p>In the PC world of today, BOTH TM and GZ are foul-mouthed and could be viewed as racist. Yep, if a juror can view cussing TM as “proof” that GZ was out to get TM, then that juror can view cussing GZ as “proof” that TM was going to show GZ.</p>
<p>Also, it is not our experiences in life or as parents that matter here. It is those of the six female jurors. As I recall, not all of them are parents. And, there are people who believe (rightfully or not) that “good” people do not call others any kind of punk, --hole, N or cracker.</p>
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Yep. I’m only vaguely familiar with the term cracker so it didn’t register with me. (But you already knew I was a little slow, so you aren’t surprised)</p>
<p>The friend on stand now will have all her testimony thrown out…she’s inconsistent with what she says under oath and a self admitted liar previously under oath. Prosecutors had a year and a half to prepare her.</p>
<p>You can bet that on a Florida jury, one or more of those women know that “cracker” is the N word for those persons of anglo saxon heritage especially of the southern low class variety.</p>
<p>except that TM was calling someone a name bc he was being followed/stalked. </p>
<p>GZ called TM a name bc he was walking through the neighborhood, additionally and more important than any foul language, GZ also said “they always get away” while he pursued him against the advice of the 911 operator. this shows state of mind.</p>
<p>It’s sad to me. One, its being aired on television. Two, a Florida man can file self defence after approaching someone… Something that’s totally illogical. And 3. The person that was attacked cannot file self defense for being followed, because he has passed away. Lord bless this nation. And help us not to be sucked in into judicial media.</p>
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<p>Exactly. What is recorded on the call is a lot more damning than TM’s conversation (with a less-than-credible witness, no less).</p>
<p>The significance if TM using racial insults is that it enables the defense to counter any claim against ZM as acting out of racial bias. Many of the people wanting a conviction of GZ believe so because they believe he is a racist following someone “walking while black.” I have yet to see anything credible suggesting GZ acted out of race. </p>
<p>TM’s racial insults may be interpreted as meaning he wanted to attack the white person in part because he was white. The defense could argue that TM was motivated, in party by race. </p>
<p>The fact that GZ is hispanic and not white probably does not matter given it was dark and TM may not have liked hispanics either.</p>
<p>I think the more significant evidence so far is that GZ was observed on top of TM. If that holds, it looks like GZ could have gotten up and run away without having to shoot TM.</p>
<p>“The fact that GZ is hispanic and not white probably does not matter given it was dark and TM may not have liked hispanics either.”</p>
<p>um, GZ is Hispanic and White. Ethnicity and race, two different things.</p>
<p>just bc TM used hostile language does not negate GZ’s state of mind in pursuing someone he labeled a “suspect”. As other posters have noted, GZ may not have been a racist, but may have still profiled TM as a “suspect, up to no good, on drugs, etc.” simply bc he was black. Race rlelations are not black and white issues, pun intended, but more complex for most people.</p>