<p>“They seem to enable the trigger-happy gun “enthusiasts” to shoot first and ask questions later.”</p>
<p>The cdc just came out with a report that Obama made them do after Sandy Hook, you should really look into all the evidence they aren’t willing to release that disagrees with your viewpoint.</p>
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<p>While he was talking on the phone?? Where’s the evidence?</p>
<p>It has to do with the timing of the abrupt end of his conversation with Rachel, and the beginnings of the fight/altercation. Did he drop the phone when his conversation with Rachel ended, or did he have it with him for awhile longer? It is hard to fight with a phone in your hand. Were there no signs that the phone was used as a weapon? No cracked acreen? No blood on the phone? I might think that Martin would have dropped the phone when he was either attacked or when he decided to throw a punch. So the position of the phone on the ground would maybe show us where the first altercation occured.</p>
<p>That is heartbreaking, lindz. And speaks to the undercurrent of racism in Florida, especially among law enforcement. HE WAS SOMEONE’S CHILD. How dare they not actively try to find his family.</p>
<p>I googled and I found this website with forum thread. About half way down, there is a mocked google map picture with super-imposed locations of all the objects found at crime scene from the police report.</p>
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<p>So given that everyone seems so certain about the facts and Florida law, who is willing to go out on a limb with a prediction? I sure can’t make one yet.</p>
<p>Got this off the internet.
The phone was in his pocket and the earphone in his ear, Crump said.</p>
<p>Not sure if that’s the way they found it. But I would think it would have to be in order for Crump to say it. ( Crump is TM family lawyer)</p>
<p>yes his phone was available, yet everyone at the crime scene seemed to completely buy into the belief that TM must have been a criminal, which was bad enough, but they took it one step further and decided that this high school aged teen had no one who loved him, missed him and was frantically worried about him.</p>
<p>this was one of Rachel’s complaints, the police did not seek her out for her story even though she had been identified as the one on the phone at the time of the altercation. she tried to make this point in the trial the other day.</p>
<p>The prosecution does NOT have to prove every last detail of the altercation by direct evidence. Every element of the case can be proved by circumstantial evidence. </p>
<p>The most important thing they have to prove is the fact that GZ shot and killed Martin. That one is taken care of – GZ admits being the shooter, and the autopsy is clear that Martin died from the shooting.</p>
<p>There are tons of people serving very long sentences, and many on death row, for offenses where there were absolutely no witnesses to the homicide, and precious little information about the whys and hows. It’s very common that the “intent” for a homicide is showed mostly by conjecture – for example, evidence that a husband took out a large life insurance policy on his decease wife the month before she turned up missing. Prosecutors typically will have some sort of evidence tying the defendant to the homicide – and they will have some evidence that supplies an ostensible motive – and then they will argue their theory of the case to the jury – but certainly do not need to prove every last detail.</p>
<p>“yes his phone was available, yet everyone at the crime scene seemed to completely buy into the belief that TM must have been a criminal, which was bad enough, but they took it one step further and decided that this high school aged teen had no one who loved him, missed him and was frantically worried about him.”</p>
<p>Actually, Tracy (Trayvon’s father) was notified the next morning, I believe after he’d called the police because Trayvon was missing. The police were not able to use Trayvon’s phone right away to find relatives because it was locked.</p>
<p>I need to see what else the prosecution has before I can decide what I think the jury will do.</p>
<p>Riprorian, I have typed and deleted this about six times this evening. Have you ever tripped on anything and come down hard? </p>
<p>I recently tripped on a pair of shoes in a dark hotel room, landed on the edge of the nightstand, and I looked pretty beat up the next day, with a huge bruise on my shoulder, and a lump on my temple.</p>
<p>I have a friend who recently tumbled sideways on a path while standing still, straddling a bike and she ended up with visible bruising on her cheek, shoulder, ribs, hip, and thigh. She also had cuts on her leg and arm, and a twisted knee. </p>
<p>My daughter took a tumble off her bike a few years ago, landed on her face, and looked like she had been badly assaulted, with one adult tooth knocked out, six adult teeth knocked askew, and her entire lower face swelled and bruised for a week. </p>
<p>Zimmerman’s injuries are not consistent with his (and your) claims of a beating. A punch, yes. A beating, no. </p>
<p>I don’t think anyone believes that a reasonable response to a punch is a shot through the heart. There were no signs of a “beating”.</p>
<p>I wish I was a picture thinker, right now and not a word thinker."</p>
<p>PoetGrl - I feel your pain … but from the other side. I’m a picture thinker, and I’ve unwittingly insulted a lot of people over the years with poorly chosen words. As my VP said one time “You have a knack for the pejorative.” I mean, who considers THAT a compliment???</p>
<p>Ttparent, post 945, thank you.</p>
<p>And thank you, MichiganGeorgia.</p>
<p>Well, that made me laugh, NewHope.</p>
<p>Thanks for that Link TTparent. It helped me to see things.</p>
<p>Also, I noticed that the cartridge from the gun is over by the body, which is NOT on the sidewalk. Just an observation.</p>
<p>Oh, and the pictures of Zimmerman? I’ve seen worse on my daughter after a rough soccer game, where she was, by the way, not in mortal danger.</p>
<p>If Zimmerman believed he was in mortal danger? He had no business trying to go and follow actual criminals around. I don’t think that was all that much of a “beating,” personally. But this is why it is dangerous for people to go walking around carrying loaded weapons with them. Its far too easy to convince yourself you “need” it. </p>
<p>JMO</p>
<p>ETA: Bovertine, I can’t guess. I can’t unknow what I know, and I don’t know yet what evidence they will focus on. In the jury decisions that have most confused me, the later jury interviews showed me that they were focused on things I barely noticed and barely noticed things I thought significant.</p>
<p>I just learned a new word - “pejorative” . Good thing I’m not taking the SAT. It says it’s a must know word.:)</p>
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<p>No, there weren’t. Even the defense witness Jonathan Good said all he saw was arm movements, not the sight (or sound) of someone pounding a fist into a face. And the evidence isn’t there on that count, either.</p>
<p>And I agree (and have stated earlier) that it doesn’t always take much to leave someone LOOKING pretty injured. (Heck, I have seen moms with black eyes caused by their toddlers.) I also don’t believe GZ was even “pretty injured”–nor did he, as evidenced by the fact that he declined medical treatment and looked more or less “fine” after getting cleaned up.</p>
<p>Jeantel acknowledged under oath that she didn’t know if Zimmerman or Martin started the fight.</p>
<p>So where’s the evidence that Zimmerman stated the confrontation?</p>
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<p>Where is the evidence he didn’t? Isn’t following a person and causing them to respond “starting the confrontation”? Or maybe we need to better define what a confrontation is and when it starts.</p>