<p>Funny how many here think its no big deal for someone to be on top of you throwing punches towards your face.</p>
<p>I know Sally. I get kind of hung up on that, too. I mean, I can’t figure out what the heck constitutes starting the confrontation. For me, it was following him after he called 911. But, legally, I could be wrong, law-wise.</p>
<p>Funny how many here have no problem with an overzealous Paul Blart-style vigilante taking matters into his own hands despite years of criminal justice education and the admonition of law enforcement to leave that “someone” alone.</p>
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So where’s the evidence that Zimmerman stated the confrontation?
Where is the evidence he didn’t? Isn’t following a person and causing them to respond “starting the confrontation”? Or maybe we need to better define what a confrontation is and when it starts.</p>
<p>Zimmerman doesn’t have to prove his innocence, the state has to prove his guilt.</p>
<p>Is Zimmerman being charged with following Martin? Assuming Zimmerman was following Martin, does that justify Martin physically assaulting him?</p>
<p>“So where’s the evidence that Zimmerman stated the confrontation?”</p>
<p>It died with TM. No we can’t get TM to testify now, but the fact that he can’t will weigh on the jury’s mind. “Can we really believe GZ on this? He has everything to gain by lying about it.” </p>
<p>This case would be so much easier had TM lived.</p>
<p>Ok if I read that sketch correctly the phone was not in his pocket. I’m confused. Perhaps the TM family lawyer assumed it was in his pocket during his call.</p>
<p>Mich, the puzzling thing is the flashlight and key chain (1) is way north, and victim cell phone is way south (7). The whole length seems to be over 40 feet. At first glance, the altercation seems to take place over a long distance, I am not sure.</p>
<p>Eastcoastcrazy-It’s not a reasonable response to shoot someone who punches you. In a situation where you are attacked though, you don’t know whether they will punch you and leave, or knock you out, drag you to their house, and keep you in a basement to rape like in the Cleveland case. You’re not afforded the luxury of knowing whether you need to shoot or not. </p>
<p>This is probably not a case where anything other than a beating would have taken place, but you can’t ask someone being attacked to just assume it’ll be not so bad. </p>
<p>I have heard(from CC instructor/security/police officer) that people have been allowed to shoot someone rushing them from over twenty feet away because the time it takes someone to draw a gun, a stronger person could cover that much ground and attack.</p>
<p>Wow, if many of you have your way an innocent man will lose some of his life because of things you didn’t like but weren’t against that law and shouldn’t be.</p>
<p>But, I think, at least for me, if the case being made is that he was afraid for his life because of his head being smashed on the cement, then shouldn’t TM be near the sidewalk? And, also, the cartridge is next to him on the ground, which implies he was shot there.</p>
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<p>An innocent boy DID lose his life for walking home with skittles and an iced tea. His whole life. Not some.</p>
<p>The case can fly foward, backward, sideways, a few feet, or ten feet. Depends on the gun and the rounds, every gun is different. They aren’t always 100% consistent either, few fowards and a few to the side. I don’t know how far the things you are comparing are from each other.</p>
<p>meh, I said innocent, it should be “possibly innocent.”</p>
<p>tt parent - and note they don’t say anything about the skittles or ice tea so that must be because they were still on him? or perhaps in the grocery bag?</p>
<p>There is zero evidence that Zimmerman was ever punched at all.</p>
<p>He had an injury to his nose, and two very small cuts on the back of his head. We don’t really know how he got them.</p>
<p>No witness claims to have seen or heard punches. Wrestling, yes. Moving arms, yes. Punches, no.</p>
<p>Zimmerman’s injuries could have been sustained in many ways. He was running around in the dark, on grass and pavement that was slippery from rain. </p>
<p>We need to at least acknowledge our assumptions. Some of us are assuming that Zimmerman’s statements are honest and accurate. </p>
<p>Some of is are questioning the inconsistencies between his statements and the physical evidence.</p>
<p>I assumed they were in the 7-11 bag, MG.</p>
<p>^ A fit man can cover 20 feet quickly … in under three seconds certainly. But 47 feet is twice the length of the average house. (Besides, the ME estimated the shot distance as being between six and thirty inches.)</p>
<p>From a “picture” standpoint, how do we reconcile GZ’s “beating my head on the concrete sidewalk” defense with the fact that GZ’s flashlight and TM’s body and the bullet casing were found 47 feet away?</p>
<p>I think that skittle and iced tea were in the 7-11 brown bag. I am not 100% but I remember reading that was the case.</p>
<p>Also, we’re not debating whether GZ is “innocent.” He admits shooting and killing TM, so “innocent of homicide” is off the table. The debate is whether he’s legally Guilty of murder, or Not Guilty of murder.</p>
<p>There is a flashlight and a key & flashlight(illuminated). Does anyone know if they were both GZ’s or is the key & flashlight(illuminated) TM’s? The key & flashlight seem pretty far from the body.</p>
<p>I would like to know which flash light belongs to whom? Assuming the flash light and key (1) belongs to GZ, if Trayvon went back and attack GZ at the T as he said in the statement, the location of the (1) there makes perfect sense. But how come the brown 7-11 bag was may be 20 yards south, and even more puzzling is how come the victim cell phone was even further south?</p>