<p>I do think it’s ridiculous to believe Zim didn’t know about the Stand Your Ground law. I would think someone living in Florida and seemingly so interested in criminal justice and how police do their job would know everything about it. If the prosecution doesn’t bring this up in closing, they’re stupid.</p>
<p>Baseline #1 You can’t charge Zimmerman for being a jerk. </p>
<p>Fact #1 Zimmerman got his butt kicked by a 17 year old.</p>
<p>I’m not sure we have agreement on those. I’m prettt sure some dispute fact one because of opposing definitions of butt kicking.</p>
<p>Well GZ got an A in a class that covered SYG laws, it’s a real stretch to say he NEVER even heard of these laws. come on…</p>
<p>bovertine, I wasn’t serious about Fact #1. 
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<p>Baseline #1 is something I’ve seen said over and over again.</p>
<p>“Umm, could have been because you called a rifle a “Bambi killer”.”</p>
<p>I apologize. I am in error. Rifles are not Bambi Killers. Rifles are Bambi’s Mom killers".</p>
<p>Don’t worry, mini. Bambi most likely was killed eventually by a rifle, too.</p>
<p>Or maybe a hammer, Niquii77?</p>
<p>Anyone know the answer to my query? Was there evidence introduced today that attendance records placed GZ in class when these things were discussed? Was there a test GZ took that covered these issues? Yes or No. I’m trying to see if this is “airtight” or “loosey-goosey.”</p>
<p>Since the prosecution is required to turn over exculpatory information, I guess they did not ask the professor before trial and were not willing to risk the answer by asking at trial so defense counsel let it lie with a big gap to mention in closing.</p>
<p>It does seem like a stretch that GZ knew nothing of SYG with or without the class. It was passed in 2005 in Florida and was celebrated by gun-rights advocates. Since GZ was a gun owner, it stands to reason that he knew the laws–especially with his larger interest in criminal justice (including his various career interests in becoming a cop or a prosecutor).</p>
<p>07DAD, I’m guessing that a reasonable inference can and would be drawn that a student who got an A in a class in which SYG was a frequent topic of discussion would have had some knowledge of that law, absent some reason to think otherwise. I would think that for his counsel to claim that he was conveniently absent every time it was discussed would undermine his (the lawyers) credibility with the jury.</p>
<p>Captain Carter, a member of the Army Judge Advocare General Office, taught the class and testified today that Zimmerman earned an A in the class, and that the SYG law was discussed on multiple days. It is very unlikely that Zimmerman missed every day that SYG was discussed and also earned an A with no knowledge of the law.</p>
<p>“Don’t worry, mini. Bambi most likely was killed eventually by a rifle, too.”</p>
<p>Yummy! ;)</p>
<p>Seems like the defense is using the “dumb blonde defense”, except GZ ain’t no blonde. Next we’ll here, “I didn’t know…the gun was loaded…”</p>
<p>A crime lab analyst testified today that Zimmerman’s DNA was found on the gun, but that no DNA from Martin was on the gun.</p>
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<p>Ladies and gentlemen. When you read the court’s charge look at the burden of proof. It rests on the prosecution. Think of all the times that the prosecution is asking you to fill in the blanks with information they could have provided you so you could make a determination based upon full knowledge. For instance, the prosecution asks you to guess that GZ knew how the SYG law worked because he got an A in Criminal Litigation. Did they provide you with the tests in that class? No. Did they provide you dates that these issues were discussed? No. Did they provide you with attendance records to let you know how often GZ even went to the lectures? No. Ask yourself why.</p>
<p>Raiders my husband and his friends are from the south and are comfortable around guns. However, they all have children and teenagers in and out of their houses. Some have lockers. Most think keeping guns in your house in these circumstances is asking for trouble. Why bother with the risk? If one child dies from your or anybody else’s gun, you will never sleep again. Things happen. People who don’t take precautions are the ones in “accidents”</p>
<p>“I remember talking about it quite a few times.” (statement Carter made regarding SYG being discussed in class.). Zimmerman earned an A in the class.</p>
<p>Zimmerman stated that he had no knowledge of SYG.</p>
<p>07DAD, do you think most normal lawyers would already have that in mind? Are you saying the prosecutors are incompetent and the defense lawyers are way ahead of them? I am not a lawyer, I don’t know.</p>
<p>Carter also stated that,“Zimmerman was one of the better students in the class.”</p>
<p>I’m repeating myself, but the prosecutors can only work with what they have. If they had dates, attendance records and tests that GZ took with the issues on it they would have introduced them. It is not easy being an honest prosecutor.</p>