For the libs in the "Cindy Sheehan" thread:

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<p><a href=“http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/01/D8FGFK0G0.html[/url]”>http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/02/01/D8FGFK0G0.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.local6.com/news/6647094/detail.html[/url]”>http://www.local6.com/news/6647094/detail.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Hope this helps. lol.</p>

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<p>Okay, so a Democrat was ARRESTED for wearing a shirt, and a Republican was asked politey to leave</p>

<p>Very different treatment</p>

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<p>I guess what I don’t understand is why anyone was removed from the SOTU address for wearing a t-shirt that says something, no matter what it said. I assume everyone was scanned for weapons, so they certainly didn’t represent a threat. </p>

<p>After all, we do have a Constitution, and its first amendment guarantees freedom of speech.</p>

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<p>The Capital police have been enforcing the rules of proper decorum in the Capital building fairly uniformly for years. During the impeachment hearings an anti-Clinton person was removed for having an inappropriate T-shirt on. You may say this is an infringement on free speech, but I think it makes good sense. I think certain functions such as an address to Congress call for a certain amount of decorum. I personally don’t want to see it devolve into a situation where both sides start to pack the chambers with hecklers or potential hecklers. I don’t care if it is President Bush or President (Bill/orHillary) Clinton, we have enough animosity in politics these days, why create even more by allowing protestors into such gatherings. They can protest just as well by banging pots and pans outside.</p>

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<p>“After all, we do have a Constitution, and its first amendment guarantees freedom of speech.”</p>

<p>Apparently not at anyplace where Bush is appearing. His appearances are all scripted (with 1 exception where he ducked, dodged, and talked around any question he didn’t like, i.e. the Brokeback Mountain question)</p>

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<p>To be frank, any reporter who has the opportunity to ask the President of the United States a question and asks about a movie, deserves to be taken about as seriously as the girl who asked Clinton about his underwear.</p>

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<p>LOL, that’s a good point, driver. Of course, certain posters on this board will look to give W a hard time about ANYTHING. </p>

<p>About the “free speech” issues: I’m pretty sure that free speech isn’t guaranteed in all situations. Try telling a judge or your teacher to f**k off. Or, try wearing a t-shirt of any kind to a court date. “Formal” events, like the SOTU address, demand a certain amount of respect to ALL parties involved: the president, Barbara Boxer, the First Lady, top members of the military, Ted Kennedy, and whomever else you’d like to name. Wearing a tshirt is simply not appropriate. Given that this tends to be “understood” in situations like the SOTU address, the treatment of Sheehan - whose motives are well-known - was appropriate.</p>

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<p>Sheehan was asked politely to leave, but refused to acknowledge the security guard.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20060201-0828-stateofunion-sheehan.html[/url]”>http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20060201-0828-stateofunion-sheehan.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Since one of those links at the top is about someone getting kicked out during the Clinton impeachment, I suspect this isn’t a Bush only kind of thing. YMMV</p>

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<p>Update:</p>

<p><a href=“http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11120353/[/url]”>http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11120353/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>My favorite part of the article?</p>

<p>"“We screwed up,” a top Capitol Police official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.</p>

<p>He said Sheehan didn’t violate any rules or laws."</p>

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<p>FWIW, I can’t find the statement MSNBC quotes about it being a mistake in any other article.</p>

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<p>Interesting. The photos of her being helped out of the gallery don’t show anything of that sort.</p>

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<p>I wasn’t there. I have only seen one still photo of her being escorted out. It would be hard to determine the level of force being used from that photo.</p>

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<p>“About the “free speech” issues: I’m pretty sure that free speech isn’t guaranteed in all situations. Try telling a judge or your teacher to f**k off. Or, try wearing a t-shirt of any kind to a court date. “Formal” events, like the SOTU address, demand a certain amount of respect to ALL parties involved: the president, Barbara Boxer, the First Lady, top members of the military, Ted Kennedy, and whomever else you’d like to name. Wearing a tshirt is simply not appropriate. Given that this tends to be “understood” in situations like the SOTU address, the treatment of Sheehan - whose motives are well-known - was appropriate.”</p>

<p>Whether or not a Cindy Sheehan was underdressed is not the issue. The fact is that she was arrested because of the message on her shirt. Her shirt was no more disruptive than would be the wearing of a black armband which the Supreme Court has upheld as constitutionally protected speech. Tinker v. Desmoines.</p>

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<p>Her shirt had a number- and the words, and how many more…</p>

<p>a fact and a question, guess facts are too controversial</p>

<p>this is the number of americans dead in the war and how many more will there be…</p>

<p>wow, that is pretty rough stuff</p>

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<p>what if she had a picture of her dead son on her shirt…hmmm</p>

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<p>I’m sorry the woman is a total loon and is hurting her cause way more than helping it. As a conservative I am happy to see her out there but as a human being all I can think is get this poor pathetic soul some help.</p>

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<p>Well, they did drop the charges and apologized to both women they asked to leave over tee shirts.</p>

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<p>Those poor Capitol policemen! They HAD to remove Sheehan. The network TV cameras would have zoomed in on her shirt for sure, probably at the moment Mr. Pres was showing off his invited guests, the bereaved family. Just like they zoomed in on every black face in the room when Mrs. King was mentioned. Just as they zoomed in on Hilary when her husband’s name was uttered. </p>

<p>And then, just to show how fair they were they had to kick out the other contestant in the wet tee shirt contest. And now they get to apologize. Pretty politically savy move(s) for Capitol police!</p>

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<p>The photo is of Sheehan being escorted to her seat - not out. That came later.With handcuffs.</p>

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<p>There are two. On shows ushers showing her to her seat going down into the gallery before the incident. The other shows a security officer leading her from her seat with his hand grapsing on her upper arm and both of her hands plainly in front of her in a reasonably relaxed position. No cuffs in sight.</p>

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<p>I’m just stating what the police spokesperson was quoted as saying - she was handcuffed and taken to the police station and booked on misdemeanor charges.</p>

<p><a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_go_pr_wh/state_of_the_union_sheehan[/url]”>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_go_pr_wh/state_of_the_union_sheehan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;